Sublime Pandamonium II
Discussion
So I have the 1368cc block, 1108cc head, 1272cc (866) cam, 769cc distributor and now I have a pair of...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230782987289?ssPageName=...
...TDM850 carb's. Now I just need some Duct-Tape and Guff II will have an engine.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230782987289?ssPageName=...
...TDM850 carb's. Now I just need some Duct-Tape and Guff II will have an engine.
Anyone fancy having a go?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280873975154?ssPageName=...
I have the heater matrix, standard back box and bits if you want to restore or a complete Cinquecento Sporting engine gear box and drive shafts if you fancy something a little quicker.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280873975154?ssPageName=...
I have the heater matrix, standard back box and bits if you want to restore or a complete Cinquecento Sporting engine gear box and drive shafts if you fancy something a little quicker.
Outbid with three seconds to go. 
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Still I need to be concentrating on Guff II and not shiny things for the Fantasia.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130688686986?ssPageName=...
Still I need to be concentrating on Guff II and not shiny things for the Fantasia.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170834093604?ssPageName=...
I was worried about the 1108 head fitting the 1368 block. So I found a 2008 Panda head for a Pound. £1 a Quid.
I sent the seller a message suggesting they re-list it if they're not happy with the price but are insistent they don't want it any more. So best case scenario it's basically a Punto 60 head and the 866 cam and distributor will fit; okay scenario the 2008 valves will be in much better condition then the 1997/1998 valves in the 1108 head and are an straight swap; worst case scenario I list the head and make a profit. At least I get to take the Fantasia on a road trip to Coventry to collect it later in the week.
I was worried about the 1108 head fitting the 1368 block. So I found a 2008 Panda head for a Pound. £1 a Quid.
I sent the seller a message suggesting they re-list it if they're not happy with the price but are insistent they don't want it any more. So best case scenario it's basically a Punto 60 head and the 866 cam and distributor will fit; okay scenario the 2008 valves will be in much better condition then the 1997/1998 valves in the 1108 head and are an straight swap; worst case scenario I list the head and make a profit. At least I get to take the Fantasia on a road trip to Coventry to collect it later in the week.
Good news; bad news today...
Good news. The TDM carb's arrived and I can start thinking about fabricating a manifold.
Bad news. After an interesting road trip to Coventry to get the 2008 Panda head I get it home to find although it fits the 1368 2003 Punto block the cam is about a centimeter longer and thicker at the bearing end. Also the head is longer as well so the cam belt wouldn't go round the top pulley. Worst of all there's no way of fitting a distributor so even if the 866 cam', 16V belt and other bits fitted I'd have no way of making it run.
£20 worth of petrol and half a day to get myself a cool paper weight.
I'll finish stripping the spare 1108 head in the morning to see if it fits the block and once it's belted up I'll see if the crank and cam turn in harmony.
Good news. The TDM carb's arrived and I can start thinking about fabricating a manifold.
Bad news. After an interesting road trip to Coventry to get the 2008 Panda head I get it home to find although it fits the 1368 2003 Punto block the cam is about a centimeter longer and thicker at the bearing end. Also the head is longer as well so the cam belt wouldn't go round the top pulley. Worst of all there's no way of fitting a distributor so even if the 866 cam', 16V belt and other bits fitted I'd have no way of making it run.
£20 worth of petrol and half a day to get myself a cool paper weight.
I'll finish stripping the spare 1108 head in the morning to see if it fits the block and once it's belted up I'll see if the crank and cam turn in harmony.
I mocked the engine together the other day while I had an expert handy.
The X-1/9 carb' in place for now the TDM carb's are a back up plan (even though the TDM carb's and fuel pump were cheaper than the Webber).
One problem due to the block being taller the cam' belt from the both the 1108 and 1368 16V engines are too short...
...I'm advised that the Punto 75 belt will fit but there a local supplier who make custom belts to length.
The X-1/9 carb' in place for now the TDM carb's are a back up plan (even though the TDM carb's and fuel pump were cheaper than the Webber).
One problem due to the block being taller the cam' belt from the both the 1108 and 1368 16V engines are too short...
...I'm advised that the Punto 75 belt will fit but there a local supplier who make custom belts to length.
Ah-haaaaaa! The Cinquecento Sporting has two different size cam' belts. One with 104 teeth and the other has 125 teeth. The Punto 75 has two different belts as well. One with 108 teeth and the other has 129 teeth. I assume this is for power steering or something even more sinister.
All I need to do when I get home from work tonight is count the number of teeth on my old belt instead of measuring it and get the next size up.
All I need to do when I get home from work tonight is count the number of teeth on my old belt instead of measuring it and get the next size up.
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I've found a bought the correct belt at last (hopefully). The 1108 manifold gaskets I already have and a 1368 head gasket will mean Guff II's engine will be ready to fit soon.
I've found a bought the correct belt at last (hopefully). The 1108 manifold gaskets I already have and a 1368 head gasket will mean Guff II's engine will be ready to fit soon.
My two 1108 engines decided they didn't want me to use either of their crank wheels...
...on the 1368 block. The Punto one came off without incident and the Cinquecento ones both sheered the location points.
The only one I have left is attached to the Repo-Seicento and I may need that as yet.
...on the 1368 block. The Punto one came off without incident and the Cinquecento ones both sheered the location points.
The only one I have left is attached to the Repo-Seicento and I may need that as yet.
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£18 for the head gasket I need and other gaskets that are selling separately for between £6 and £10 each. Free gasket then.
The Cinquecento Sporting flywheel and clutch are now fitted ready I'm taking the head to work over the weekend to clean the ports out.
£18 for the head gasket I need and other gaskets that are selling separately for between £6 and £10 each. Free gasket then.
The Cinquecento Sporting flywheel and clutch are now fitted ready I'm taking the head to work over the weekend to clean the ports out.
Belt and cam cover gasket arrive today.
I have a new and interesting problem with the engine that I need to work out next.
So this morning I went to my local suppliers and bought some lip panels to use as sills. Got the car up on ramps and took the door off to get to the sill and inspect it properly.
Turns out the passenger side is solid apart from the lip at the back where the plastic trim was a water trap. As I'm widening the arches anyway I'll leave it until then. While I had the door off and raw materials I decided to fix that instead.
Drilled the Aluminium plate off...
...cut as much rust away as necessary, welded a lip in place...
...and ran out of gas. Went into town to get more and someone very kindly put my hammer through the window for me.
Seam welded and flapped a panel to the door...
...once the door was hanging a quick coat of yellow...
...to protect the bare metal from the rain...
...that arrived just after I covered the window frame with plastic.
In other news. The Repo-Seicento is sold to Kev' as his latest van of death decided it didn't need a clutch any more.
I have a new and interesting problem with the engine that I need to work out next.
So this morning I went to my local suppliers and bought some lip panels to use as sills. Got the car up on ramps and took the door off to get to the sill and inspect it properly.
Turns out the passenger side is solid apart from the lip at the back where the plastic trim was a water trap. As I'm widening the arches anyway I'll leave it until then. While I had the door off and raw materials I decided to fix that instead.
Drilled the Aluminium plate off...
...cut as much rust away as necessary, welded a lip in place...
...and ran out of gas. Went into town to get more and someone very kindly put my hammer through the window for me.
Seam welded and flapped a panel to the door...
...once the door was hanging a quick coat of yellow...
...to protect the bare metal from the rain...
...that arrived just after I covered the window frame with plastic.
In other news. The Repo-Seicento is sold to Kev' as his latest van of death decided it didn't need a clutch any more.
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Crap it already exists. It didn't when I did a search before but it does so now I have to change the name and colour scheme of my Panda.
Great minds thinking alike rather than plagiarism.
Crap it already exists. It didn't when I did a search before but it does so now I have to change the name and colour scheme of my Panda.
Great minds thinking alike rather than plagiarism.
I've come up with a solution to the belt and pulley problem. Hopefully it will work. To get things running I have been looking for a manual choke conversion for the X-1/9 carb'. The cheapest one I've found was £25 plus V.A.T and postage. Then I found this...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230790697811?ssPageName=...
...manual choke Webber for a Fiat for a Tenner.
Made a pair of templates...
...just need get hold of some 3mm steel and a bit of pipe to make a manifold adapter.
Just need to get a sump sorted and hope the pulley idea I had works. Then it's just brakes, suspension, wheels, paint, mount the seat, mount the harness, make the polycarbonate windows and replace the windscreen for M.O.T.
In about five days spread over the next four weeks.
Gulp!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230790697811?ssPageName=...
...manual choke Webber for a Fiat for a Tenner.
Made a pair of templates...
...just need get hold of some 3mm steel and a bit of pipe to make a manifold adapter.
Just need to get a sump sorted and hope the pulley idea I had works. Then it's just brakes, suspension, wheels, paint, mount the seat, mount the harness, make the polycarbonate windows and replace the windscreen for M.O.T.
In about five days spread over the next four weeks.
Gulp!
So I've been experimenting again.
I've put the 1368 crank pulley back, retrofitted the 1368 water pump and replaced the cam pulley.
I tried the original belt...
...too short. So I tried the Punto 75 belt...
...perfect fit and enough play for the tensioner not to foul the head...
...the Grande Punto belt has 124 teeth so I guess I need one that has 128 or 129.
I've put the 1368 crank pulley back, retrofitted the 1368 water pump and replaced the cam pulley.
I tried the original belt...
...too short. So I tried the Punto 75 belt...
...perfect fit and enough play for the tensioner not to foul the head...
...the Grande Punto belt has 124 teeth so I guess I need one that has 128 or 129.
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