Porsche Carrera need help
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Hi people I am looking to buy a Porsche Carrera and need help. I want to buy one that is made in 1986 or round that time, but there seems to be some many different types, and having trouble understanding the different ones. Is there any good website that will set me on the right path, and is the insurance expensive? Thanks
In 1986 you would be looking at a 3.2 Carrera.
I would recommend the following spec:
- Coupe
- As late as possible, ie up to 1989 if possible, as revisions were made throughout the model run
- G50 gearbox (maybe 1986, most likely 1987 onwards)
Have a look at the 911 buying guide in the Porsche home pages on Pistonheads (accessed from PH home page). Generally, watch out for oil leaks from the cylinder barrels (check for a dry engine by looking underneath the thing!), check heating works, check clutch is smooth, check all electrics, especially sunroof. Searching this forum for '3.2 carrera' may also reveal a few interesting points.
Most important of all - get an inspection by someone that knows what they are looking at. Subscribe to the Porsche Club GB at 50 GBP a year if you need to access a lot of Porsche contacts quickly.
Insurance should be reasonable on a classic policy, certainly under a grand a year for the typical 30 year old solicitor from Kent etc.
Servicing is also quite reasonable, as there are plenty of specialists. Expect to pay 40-50 GBP per hour. I'd budget between 1-2k a year exc fuel/insurance/mot/tax and tyres to run one.
Hope this helps
Domster
I would recommend the following spec:
- Coupe
- As late as possible, ie up to 1989 if possible, as revisions were made throughout the model run
- G50 gearbox (maybe 1986, most likely 1987 onwards)
Have a look at the 911 buying guide in the Porsche home pages on Pistonheads (accessed from PH home page). Generally, watch out for oil leaks from the cylinder barrels (check for a dry engine by looking underneath the thing!), check heating works, check clutch is smooth, check all electrics, especially sunroof. Searching this forum for '3.2 carrera' may also reveal a few interesting points.
Most important of all - get an inspection by someone that knows what they are looking at. Subscribe to the Porsche Club GB at 50 GBP a year if you need to access a lot of Porsche contacts quickly.
Insurance should be reasonable on a classic policy, certainly under a grand a year for the typical 30 year old solicitor from Kent etc.
Servicing is also quite reasonable, as there are plenty of specialists. Expect to pay 40-50 GBP per hour. I'd budget between 1-2k a year exc fuel/insurance/mot/tax and tyres to run one.
Hope this helps
Domster
Not sure of your budget, however you might want to consider an early 964 Carrera(89-90), rather than a late 3.2.
Similar money these days (you can get a good one for about £13K (LDH) or pay any extra £3K for a RDH), however the 964 has more power, better brakes, better handling, safer, etc, etc. In short a much better car and very similar to a 993 in performance, just better looking.(nowrunsforthehills)
In only downside - is that they are more expensive to service (about 400 for a 12K service). Other than that a very pucka Porsche.
Regards Andy
Similar money these days (you can get a good one for about £13K (LDH) or pay any extra £3K for a RDH), however the 964 has more power, better brakes, better handling, safer, etc, etc. In short a much better car and very similar to a 993 in performance, just better looking.(nowrunsforthehills)
In only downside - is that they are more expensive to service (about 400 for a 12K service). Other than that a very pucka Porsche.
Regards Andy
meno-porsche said:
Not sure of your budget, however you might want to consider an early 964 Carrera(89-90), rather than a late 3.2.
Similar money these days (you can get a good one for about £13K (LDH) or pay any extra £3K for a RDH), however the 964 has more power, better brakes, better handling, safer, etc, etc. In short a much better car and very similar to a 993 in performance, just better looking.(nowrunsforthehills)
In only downside - is that they are more expensive to service (about 400 for a 12K service). Other than that a very pucka Porsche.
Regards Andy
...and if buying a 964, don't forget to set aside £4k (or less if you use Dom's tech...allegedly) for a top-end rebuild when it starts to pee out oil onto the exhaust. Cheapest lhd I've seen recently is £9k needing a top end rebuild - £12k rhd also needing a rebuild. Equally I've seen several more expensive cars with wet engines too.
Having said that, I agree that 964s feel a much more modern car to drive.
Would agree the 964 is the fist of the more modern machines. I went to buy a 3.2 and left with a 964 - never regretted it.
They are more expensive to run in general but of course a good 964 will be way cheaper than a poor 3.2
happy hunting- I would say you could do a lot worse than call a good specialist. 911virgin.com and rsjsportscars.co.uk are well respected by most around here
They are more expensive to run in general but of course a good 964 will be way cheaper than a poor 3.2
happy hunting- I would say you could do a lot worse than call a good specialist. 911virgin.com and rsjsportscars.co.uk are well respected by most around here
rubystone said:
...and if buying a 964, don't forget to set aside £4k (or less if you use Dom's tech...allegedly) for a top-end rebuild when it starts to pee out oil onto the exhaust.
Just to clarify, as Fergus's comments have been misunderstood and taken out of context:
Ferg was talking about Andy Fearns at AmD maybe being able to do MoTeC for a 964RS cheaper than the typical 4k budget. I cannot verify this as to my knowledge he has never done this or even quoted on it, and the man who has (Mr Belton from 9mracing) justified every single pound and it seemed good value. Some of the 4k figure is VAT, and there are lots of expensive bits needed (6 injectors for a start) as well as the MoTeC box.
It was unfortunate Ferg mentioned the MoTeC thingummy when people were talking about 4k top end rebuilds on 964 engines - hence the confusion.
From what I've heard, Rubystone may know the cheapest place for a rebuild - and he has been unlucky enough to have to commission one. Although Andy at AmD may be able to take on or pass on the work, I am not sure what even a ballpark figure is. However, he is being helpful to a few forum members and has a reasonable hourly rate (simply as AmD have not previously been known for Porsche servicing/tuning - beyond remapping) so he may be competitive on whatever job you want him to do.
As for 964s, they are superior IMO to the 3.2 and are much more modern to drive, as Ruby says. But they do cost more to run by all accounts, and they have their little foibles as well (although most dual mass flywheels will surely be in the bin by now!).
I would say it is better to get a decent 3.2 than a doggy 964, but remarkably prices are actually quite similar these days.
ATB
Dom
Dom
Cheers for the eplanation on my part! Unfortuntely, whether due to my poor grammer or just going off at a tangent, my comments were taken out of context. I believe Andy will be able to the job cheaper than £4k, as I can get both an M600 and 6 Bosch 803 injectors for around GBP 1650. It CANNOT cost £2.3k to fit and map the system. Good base maps can be 'obtained' from various sources, so all we will then have to do is fine tune the maps to the car and setup up the closed loop wideband sensor, etc....
Cheers anyway. Should be commencing in Aug (assuming I'm back from the ring & spa without incident (touches his wood)).
Ferg
Cheers for the eplanation on my part! Unfortuntely, whether due to my poor grammer or just going off at a tangent, my comments were taken out of context. I believe Andy will be able to the job cheaper than £4k, as I can get both an M600 and 6 Bosch 803 injectors for around GBP 1650. It CANNOT cost £2.3k to fit and map the system. Good base maps can be 'obtained' from various sources, so all we will then have to do is fine tune the maps to the car and setup up the closed loop wideband sensor, etc....
Cheers anyway. Should be commencing in Aug (assuming I'm back from the ring & spa without incident (touches his wood)).
Ferg
I agree Ferg, your careful appropriation of bits cheaply, plus a few beers for Andy, may mean a saving - for me as well, perhaps, in the future
From memory motec roughly breaks down as:
Motec box - 1200
wiring loom - 250
six injectors - 600
MAP sensor - 150
Remapping - 1000
Fitting - 300?
VAT - approx 500?
From memory motec roughly breaks down as:
Motec box - 1200
wiring loom - 250
six injectors - 600
MAP sensor - 150
Remapping - 1000
Fitting - 300?
VAT - approx 500?
Don't get me wrong - I want to know who does the best job at the cheapest price - Martin Harvey did the top end rebuild on my RS - needed valves and guides but little else (no pistons...) and back in 2001 that came to £3k (but then the RS valves ain't cheap).
The problem with giving a fixed price is that it makes sense to do a clutch, replace the nasty inferior tinware that Porsche selected for that model and almost certainly do the exhaust guides when the engine is out.
The problem with giving a fixed price is that it makes sense to do a clutch, replace the nasty inferior tinware that Porsche selected for that model and almost certainly do the exhaust guides when the engine is out.
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