360 Modena v 360 Challenge Stradale
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Can't comment from expierance as I've never been in a Stadale, but two things to consider.
Firstly for the £30k differance you could buy a Caterham / Radical which would be even more extreme and better on track.
Secondly, I'm told be people who've tried it that the new F430 is quicker and "knock spots off" the 360 Stradale.
Just thoughts.
Firstly for the £30k differance you could buy a Caterham / Radical which would be even more extreme and better on track.
Secondly, I'm told be people who've tried it that the new F430 is quicker and "knock spots off" the 360 Stradale.
Just thoughts.
Would the 360 CS not hold onto its value better than a standard 360? If it does, and I expect it would, I would think it's a better long term prospect regardless of the fact that it's arguably a better car than a standard 360. If I had just bought a 360 CS, I'm not convinced i'd feel cheated with the 430M as the CS is still a fantastic car and quite obviously rawer than the 430M.
Its easy to say which would you take, with JUST the £30k difference.
But think about it for a second, thats THIRTY THOUSAND POUND!
thats a house somewhere up north (granted a small house in a pit!)
Its too easy to get carried away and say, oh, its only £30k..
£30k + (stripe, seats, etc!!)
For me, the CS is a Racer, I wouldnt EXPECT to want to drive it on a daily commute, whereas I would expect to do that in a 360.
Personally, I WANT my luxury, i WANT my aircon / comfy seats etc.
I can see the market for the CS, its as a third / forth car, for those who already have the luxury / comfort mobiles, and want something 'special' for the times they want some 'rough'
and for that, it is ideal IMHO.
As a daily driver i think i would take a 360 and an early 996 / New TVR / 5 Ducati Motorbikes etc.
Ta
But think about it for a second, thats THIRTY THOUSAND POUND!
thats a house somewhere up north (granted a small house in a pit!)
Its too easy to get carried away and say, oh, its only £30k..
£30k + (stripe, seats, etc!!)
For me, the CS is a Racer, I wouldnt EXPECT to want to drive it on a daily commute, whereas I would expect to do that in a 360.
Personally, I WANT my luxury, i WANT my aircon / comfy seats etc.
I can see the market for the CS, its as a third / forth car, for those who already have the luxury / comfort mobiles, and want something 'special' for the times they want some 'rough'
and for that, it is ideal IMHO.
As a daily driver i think i would take a 360 and an early 996 / New TVR / 5 Ducati Motorbikes etc.
Ta
At these prices, and by that I mean anything over £50K, it all gets a bit rarefied. I used to have a 360 and have a CS, and in my view the CS is worth the difference, but that's from my own perspective. They're both recreational vehicles really, and I want to extract as much enjoyment as I can from what free time I have.
I doubt the 430 will "knock spots off" the 360CS since the 430 is a bit of a porker, and I think Ferrari have deliberately left themselves some wriggle rom for a 430CS. On the price front, the 430 will be about £115 before you option it with paint, seats etc., so you'll end up in the same ballpark
I doubt the 430 will "knock spots off" the 360CS since the 430 is a bit of a porker, and I think Ferrari have deliberately left themselves some wriggle rom for a 430CS. On the price front, the 430 will be about £115 before you option it with paint, seats etc., so you'll end up in the same ballpark
JamieBeeston said:Common misconception actually, since the CS is comfortable enough to use on long journeys- it just looks hard
Personally, I WANT my luxury, i WANT my aircon / comfy seats etc.
456mgt said:
Personally, I WANT my luxury, i WANT my aircon / comfy seats etc.
Common misconception actually, since the CS is comfortable enough to use on long journeys- it just looks hard
I am glad to hear this Kevin, is it as comfy as your 360 was tho?
It would be great if so, but then wouldnt that mean the seats arent as supportive as they could be ?
Unlike yourself, I can only speculate, your comments should obviosuly carry weight.
Would you use the CS to Tour Europe with the Wife for example IF you were offered a 360 from your dealer to do it in instead.
JamieBeeston said:
I am glad to hear this Kevin, is it as comfy as your 360 was tho?
That's the wierd thing though Jamie- they're actually more comfortable. My shoulders never felt quite right on the standard seats, but the sports seats wrap around you nicely and are quite well padded. I'll be ticking the sports seats option box in future
JamieBeeston said:
Would you use the CS to Tour Europe with the Wife for example IF you were offered a 360 from your dealer to do it in instead.
Hell yes! It's quite civilised at cruising, but turns into an animal when you flex your right foot. In fact one of the other guys with a Stradale actually did this- with his own wife, not mine. As long as it didn't have the NGT on it mind, that might get a bit much after >4 hrs.
Edited to add- if it was a choice of my CS versus the dealers' 360, I'd take the 360. But not for reasons of comfort
>> Edited by 456mgt on Wednesday 25th August 19:03
will happily defer to your Expereince Kev. Is A/C a Specable option on the CS ?
Does the Cabin get overly hot ?
Muncher Doesnt Stop Raving about the CS, with the Tubi on now, I spose I best Get meself along to a meet and view it first hand before you re-sell it
I still think I would prefer a 360M over a CS.., the only justification I can give myself tho, is that the CS is a little too compromising for a daily driver... but maybe I am just wrong.
[quote=JamieBeeston] Is A/C a Specable option on the CS ? Does the Cabin get overly hot ?[quote]I think it's standard- don't recall there being a box for it. Mine has a/c anyway, and it's very good, not that I use it much as the windows are always rolled down. There's some heat soak but not that much.
In fact I'd rephrase the original question and compare say a '99 360 Modena with a CS at double the price. Now that's a difficult call.
In fact I'd rephrase the original question and compare say a '99 360 Modena with a CS at double the price. Now that's a difficult call.
toppstuff said:
In fact I'd rephrase the original question and compare say a '99 360 Modena with a CS at double the price. Now that's a difficult call.
Very good point.
A 360M plus a studio in Cannes to drive it to (and let when you are'nt there),or a Challenge Stradale ?
Or another one: 360M + 550M etc. The thing is though we're talking about capital outlay, which impacts your household finances in terms of cost of capital (ie lost gain on investements etc.)What really matters is the cost of ownership ie: purchase price-(resale price + running costs) since the amounts are usually bigger. This is why I don't try to justify any exotic car purchase 'cos it's almost impossible! It's a lifestyle choice, and the decision is actually: your money or your lifestyle?
456mgt said:
456mgt said:
In fact I'd rephrase the original question and compare say a '99 360 Modena with a CS at double the price. Now that's a difficult call.
Very good point.
A 360M plus a studio in Cannes to drive it to (and let when you are'nt there),or a Challenge Stradale ?
Or another one: 360M + 550M etc. The thing is though we're talking about capital outlay, which impacts your household finances in terms of cost of capital (ie lost gain on investements etc.)What really matters is the cost of ownership ie: purchase price-(resale price + running costs) since the amounts are usually bigger. This is why I don't try to justify any exotic car purchase 'cos it's almost impossible! It's a lifestyle choice, and the decision is actually: your money or your lifestyle?
well said. To be honest, while I can understand the way true petrolheads think, I don't think this is the reality for a lot of owners of cars like the 360CS. for every chap who is thinking in terms of value and what they could have for the same money, there's a chap who isn't even thinking about the money. Hell, i could have bought a 355 for £40k and had £90k's worth of bonds/shares/houses/wine/women - doesn't mean i would!.
A friend of mine bought one, and trust me, he isn't thinking in terms of "i could have had XXX and a normal 360" but more in terms of "thats 1/10th of this years bonus"
As Kevin said, if you had your sensible hat on, you would be thinking more in terms of cost of capital, but when was the last time the words sensible hat and ferrari were used in the same sentence...
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