Planning permission for a patio
Discussion
Our neighbour has complained about the installation of our patio and the council have deemed it is not permissible development. We therefore now have to apply for retrospective planning.
Before I go ahead and submit it myself can anyone advise on the scale of the submission? Do I need to include drawings etc like you would if appylying for a building extension?
Or would a descriptive application suffice?
Before I go ahead and submit it myself can anyone advise on the scale of the submission? Do I need to include drawings etc like you would if appylying for a building extension?
Or would a descriptive application suffice?
Sometimes permiited development rights, for things like additional hard-surfaced parking/conservatories/patios are removed on houses, particularly on new/recent builds. The reason for the patio not being permitted development would probably be due to concerns over surface water run-off/drainage. Hopefully you have made some arrangement for the drainage, ideally a permeable surface, if not you may be asked to provide details of where the run-off goes; if it is to mains drains you may be asked to provide an attenuation system.
You would only need permission if it is in your front garden, non permeable and over a particular size, or alternatively raised up like decking, so this sounds odd. Is there (like previously mentioned) a condition on the original planning application or something because it is otherwise unusual.
If you do need an application a site plan to scale showing the extent of it in the garden along with photos would probably suffice.
If you do need an application a site plan to scale showing the extent of it in the garden along with photos would probably suffice.
Prohibiting said:
Why can't your neighbour mind their own business? What harm is a patio going to do to them? T0ssers....
Because the OP's "patio" is no doubt more than 300mm higher than the natural ground level and is creating a loss of privacy to the neighbour.As for some of the other comments, please , if you know sfa about planning , just like Colin, why comment ?
Busa mav said:
Because the OP's "patio" is no doubt more than 300mm higher than the natural ground level and is creating a loss of privacy to the neighbour.
As for some of the other comments, please , if you know sfa about planning , just like Colin, why comment ?
This the exact issue Busa - the council are claiming we have raised the ground level at the back (I believe we had to due to the new drainage positioning following the extension).As for some of the other comments, please , if you know sfa about planning , just like Colin, why comment ?
I concede there is loss of privacy, although our patio over-looks their garden rather than the back of the house / her patio. It did previously though.
I am not naive though - she has obviously complained to get back at us for the extension (she objected furiously and made party wall agreement a nightmare). Her fence with her other neighbour is a 2ft chicken-wire fence!
I'll get some photos up.
Hub said:
If you do need an application a site plan to scale showing the extent of it in the garden along with photos would probably suffice.
Part of the reason I asked is the council planners have already been round to measure and take photos...no doubt they want me to duplicate the process!mikeiow said:
Would it be worthwhile offering to fit a higher fence to sort the privacy issue out?
Maybe too late now you are having to do this....but maintaining acceptable neighbourly relations is always a good thing (even when those neighbours may be pretty awful!).
Think we are past the point of no return!Maybe too late now you are having to do this....but maintaining acceptable neighbourly relations is always a good thing (even when those neighbours may be pretty awful!).
As part of the planning application I was considering including a suggestion to raise the fence / install trellis (which we were going to do anyway but ran out of funds) as a happy solution.
Strange coincidence my son has just received a letter from the council planning department about a complaint that he has raised his patio and installed a fence greater than 2 meters tall.
I had a meeting today with the enforcement officer at his house ( he was at work) and the guy was genuinely shocked as the fence is 1200 high with 600 trellis on top at our side.
but the neighbor has at some time in the past excavated her garden to level it off leaving it 500mm plus lower at parts than my sons.
the planning guy insisted that the fence height was measured from original ground level which i said ok use her side of the fence but he kept on calling them raised beds while I see them as the original garden height and the dwarf walls has her retaining walls to allow her to level off the garden.
we are now in limbo if well have to apply for retrospective planning for raising the patio, which we have not. and removing the top of the fence to make it under 2m on her lowered side.
Ive sent old photos from the sales brochure to show the original fence etc so we will have to wait and see the outcome, but it looks like i might have to apply for the foot path at the side of the garage that she can not see from her house, as we raised that to keep it level from the back to the front of the house and he said we should have put that in the original plans but its not something I would have thought about.
Oh yes its another old lady who complained about the extension costing us a huge delay and quite a lot of money changing things to try and suit her.
so if your planning to extend try and get everything on the application.
ps the fence only stops her looking into my sons kitchen.
Rob
I had a meeting today with the enforcement officer at his house ( he was at work) and the guy was genuinely shocked as the fence is 1200 high with 600 trellis on top at our side.
but the neighbor has at some time in the past excavated her garden to level it off leaving it 500mm plus lower at parts than my sons.
the planning guy insisted that the fence height was measured from original ground level which i said ok use her side of the fence but he kept on calling them raised beds while I see them as the original garden height and the dwarf walls has her retaining walls to allow her to level off the garden.
we are now in limbo if well have to apply for retrospective planning for raising the patio, which we have not. and removing the top of the fence to make it under 2m on her lowered side.
Ive sent old photos from the sales brochure to show the original fence etc so we will have to wait and see the outcome, but it looks like i might have to apply for the foot path at the side of the garage that she can not see from her house, as we raised that to keep it level from the back to the front of the house and he said we should have put that in the original plans but its not something I would have thought about.
Oh yes its another old lady who complained about the extension costing us a huge delay and quite a lot of money changing things to try and suit her.
so if your planning to extend try and get everything on the application.
ps the fence only stops her looking into my sons kitchen.
Rob
Welshbeef said:
Isn't the key in all of this to discuss your intentions with neighbours BEFORE you commence so they know what's coming and you can ease any issues.
Any challenges you can discuss and resolve
In an ideal world yes but if they are socially retarded then it's quite difficult.Any challenges you can discuss and resolve
This is a woman who has never thanked us for taking her parcels in (she always sends one of her long-suffering teenagers over), a while back I ferried her kid to Blockbuster to return a computer game that was overdue because she was out etc etc.
We have never been anything but nice to her, told her about the extension and gave her an opportunity to discuss - nothing.
She's a total nightmare.
Anyway - pics. Not sure if they really help as on my crappy smartphone.
This is view to other neighbour who also put in a raised deck - but we get on with them so all fine for both parties.
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