When people jump red lights
Discussion
Rawwr said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gxvcf1MhEI&fe...
The van driver is claiming that his light was green. What do you think?
I think the Eddie Stobart driver would struggle to say he had gone through on Amber..The van driver is claiming that his light was green. What do you think?
MDUBZ said:
Rawwr said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gxvcf1MhEI&fe...
The van driver is claiming that his light was green. What do you think?
I think the Eddie Stobart driver would struggle to say he had gone through on Amber..The van driver is claiming that his light was green. What do you think?
k all, I reckon) right at the time the accident happened, but I know when I was on traffic (sorry, “roads policing”) all those years ago, checking traffic light phases at junctions was literally chapter one, page one, line one of the “Big book of things to do at an accident at or near a traffic light controlled junction” and we’d normally watch them through three or four full phases on arrival, as well as being the last thing we did before we resumed from the scene.Unfortunately, depending on who you get, or how busy they are, I know this doesn’t always get done. Don’t worry, I know several cops who have turned up to even more serious stuff (like rapes and murders) who haven’t got the most basic of basic things right from the off. I’m not talking complex stuff, I’m talking about things that anyone with half an ounce of just common sense would do - like stopping people milling about, in and out of the scene, or letting people go, who could be suspects or witnesses, without getting and checking their personal details...
Going back several days after and checking the phasing won’t necessarily carry as much weight as a check done immediately after, but it’s better than nothing, especially if it wasn’t done at the time.
I’ve watched the clip and there’s no way (assuming the phasing wasn’t tits up) that Stobart truck went through on amber and as others have said, I’d be tempted to send the clip to them as well.
Dibble said:
When the cops attended, they *should* have checked the phasing of the lights, there and then.
My wife was involved in an almost identical accident last year, although thankfully she was in a car. The police turned up (I was surprised tbh), and said it's nothing to do with them and left again.Get well soon OP, get ill soon van driver.
Dibble said:
... Don’t worry, I know several cops who have turned up to even more serious stuff (like rapes and murders) who haven’t got the most basic of basic things right from the off. I’m not talking complex stuff, I’m talking about things that anyone with half an ounce of just common sense would do - like stopping people milling about, in and out of the scene, or letting people go, who could be suspects or witnesses, without getting and checking their personal details...
Don't worry? That's exactly what worries people most! 
black-k1 said:
Dibble said:
... Don’t worry, I know several cops who have turned up to even more serious stuff (like rapes and murders) who haven’t got the most basic of basic things right from the off. I’m not talking complex stuff, I’m talking about things that anyone with half an ounce of just common sense would do - like stopping people milling about, in and out of the scene, or letting people go, who could be suspects or witnesses, without getting and checking their personal details...
Don't worry? That's exactly what worries people most! I’ve raised a number of issues about various officers with their line managers. Sadly, little seems to change. I do feel like I’m banging my head against a brick wall, but I will keep raising issues. I’m not by any means perfect but when I’ve screwed up, I’ve tried to learn from it and try not to make the same mistake again. Even with all my service (getting on for 28 years as a special and regular officer), there’s still stuff I don’t know, or new systems/procedures/technologies coming into play. Blowing my own trumpet, I think I’m fairly good at knowing what I don’t know and I’d always ask for help/guidance, rather than trying to fudge my way through.
Often it’s down to a lack of training - both during the “initial training” and when being “tutored” by a (supposedly) more experienced and knowledgeable officer. When I was a new officer, tutors never had less than ten years in, often 15. Now, there are officers tutoring probationers, who are only just out of their two year probation themselves. It’s wrong, but “the system” allows it.
Drawweight said:
Rawwr said:
£2,514.79 to replace my damaged clothing/helmet.
The bike cost I can understand but what kind of kit were you wearing to cost 2 and a half grand?Although if you didn’t have any broken bones it obviously worked :-)
Rawwr said:
Yeah, it's not a cop out, it just feels like the right time.
That's bloody sad news if you're throwing in your lid mate. Would you consider giving it until spring and having a think?I mean new flouro leathers, bike on PCP (?), lots of practical reasons to just take a breather?
I had the same thoughts earlier this year, when my room mate got himself very badly hurt, but after much soul-searching, I couldn't walk away from biking, that said neither could my old mate for very different reasons. So perhaps there are good reasons for both outcomes.
Edited by Prof Prolapse on Wednesday 16th October 14:14
Adam_W said:
doesn't matter that the police may not have checked the phasing, look really close at the vid, you can see their lights change back to green after the accident.
Yes just looked closer, about a second before or after the Volvo puts his hazards on you see the Stobart/van lights change to green. 110% proof in my view. If you time the light phases by observation you could work out how late on the red the van & possibly the Stobart driver went across.
Rawwr said:
Just had a call from the police officer dealing with it and now that he's seen the footage, he's told me there's zero chance the van driver is getting off lightly. So that's good news.
That’s good news and hopefully the van driver will get the right level of prosecution, rather than just (IMHO) driver awareness/improvement.As for you giving up, I can understand that. I still think I’d like another bike, but then there are days when I think it’s too much risk, especially after the latest setback, all from one single accident, it’s two and a half years on, which is a fairly hefty chunk of time and I’m still not better.
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