Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 4)

[jonny142]

Watching Sky live ..Governor of New York Andrew Cuomo comes over as a good chap

[21st Century Man]

Castrol for a knave said:

This has a useful Q&A

https://www.hilldickinson.com/insights/articles/wh...

Thanks for that, one of the best Q&A's I've seen.

I really liked the clever suggestion to use 1 day a week holiday pay to top up to 100% if the employer cannot afford to do so but an employee really needed 100%.

Edited by 21st Century Man on Thursday 26th March 16:04

[Coolbananas]

S1KRR said:

I ride on my own anyway. But I agree on the group thing. Surely the thing about " no more than 2 from the same household" applies.


To DJMC Cars are FAR FAR more dangerous that bicycles. Best ban all cars first

Here in Portugal this is being very well respected. Group rides stopped before the lockdown and I never see more than two together but most of us are alone.

In fact, looking at my own friends and Strava, most have taken to indoor training.

I was out on the road this morning, maybe 20 cars about on my short 40k ride. Traffic here is generally greatly reduced.
I've stuck mostly to MTB and trails around me, I see a handful of walkers and at most 1 or 3 other cyclists on a 2hr workout.

While exercise is still being encouraged, most are staying at home.

I see South Africa go into lockdown tonight, they have a much stricter policy, no dog walks, no exercise, nothing, stay at home unless on essential business.

[Whoozit]

S1KRR said:

Sambucket said:

If (and it's a big if) gov wanted to increase social distancing 2 weeks ago, they could have just built NHS nightingale a bit early. Certainly seems to have brought the actual challenges into perspective for many.

Converting Excel into a hospital is not the work of a weekend!

And I will remain to see if they ACTUALLY need the capacity they are building for!

You're right, it isn't. It is taking about a week according to the CMO. Ready early next week.

ETA - it doesn't need to be a fully functioning hospital. It's providing a single function, for overflow capacity to treat/provide palliative care for a specific acute disease.

Edited by Whoozit on Thursday 26th March 16:09

[Zoobeef]

youngsyr said:

skwdenyer said:

Since I was apparently scaremongering without any basis, this may be of interest:

North Yorkshire Police to introduce checkpoints to enforce lockdown
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2020-03-26/north...

Perhaps this will finally put an end to the moronic "the rules still allow everyone to go out multiple times every day/play golf/go to the shops for ice cream" posts?

But then again, probably not.

Great thing is that they were talking in about it on the BBC today and said it was ok to go out for a drive for your mental health.

Then again, you'll still be hidden under your bed.

[S1KRR]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

What, no outcry at the gender death gap?

The silence is deafening!

Men. Worst "oppressors" in history


(Quote by Peter Lloyd @suffragentleman)

[Robertj21a]

China is temporarily suspending entry of foreign nationals.......

[Red 4]

youngsyr said:

Red 4 said:

An observation from today;

There are lots of "Golightly's" about today. They are taking up space on the pavements.

Pseudo lockdown must be the first bit of exercise they've had in years.

I'm not sure whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.

To be fair, the "exercise" exemption to the lockdown isn't just for physical exercise, it's for mental health reasons too.

Yeah, I get that. It's fair enough.

My travels today took me through a nature reserve and, although it wasn't heaving - it is a relatively remote area and it was much busier than usual.

I go there a fair bit (in my defence) because it's on my doorstep.

I reckon numbers will tail off as the novelty wears off.

[Castrol for a knave]

ElectricSoup said:

This might be helpful with some of your thoughts.

https://twitter.com/Joe_Marshall0/status/124320095...

Twitter is bloody useful, if you follow the right accounts and ignore the morons. Loads of very well informed professionals regularly share the benefit of their expertise. Which is amazing considering they're doing it for free, nothing and gratis.

Interesting Twitter thread - thanks.

We've been kicking things around at work.

Gold price has risen, suggesting the initial flight to the Dollar has passed (although that also might reflect a reduced confidence in the Dayglo dhead).

Either way, it is a more normalised response in a financial "crisis".

Some of the UK GDP models are showing a 20% downturn, but a few of us think that might be too pessimistic, and that there is probably a lot of cash tied up and unspent due to the lockdown. Sure, there will be a cash burn for some but others are likely to hold spend back, which might be released in Q3 into Q4.

You also have the bounce- when we all come out of this, and go to the nearest pub, take that holiday and think sod it, i'll get that Alpine.

Property (my market) is taking a bath at present, but we are not seeing any panic in the market, or from lenders. it is much more measured than 2008. The view is to support, ride out and accept that yields will move outwards for a time. To be honest, that is not a bad thing in some markets, such as central London, where yield compression has been strong and a touch worrying. Real estate has performed well over recent years and a little cooling may be good, thought i accept we'll have some challenges pricing over the coming months.

Many corporate landlords are working with their tenants in rent frees, rent reductions and we are not being pressed for revaluations, rather the lenders, institutions and investors seem to want things to level out then take stock.

High street and shopping centres are getting hit, Intu must now be well south of its loan covenants, but unlike 2008, where is the logic and sense in triggering them?

i'm not saying this is all correct, or the Gospel of St Castrol of the immaculate Order of Pigeon Kickers, but more a thought exercise between nerds, agents and a few of my own thoughts.

[S1KRR]

The Mad Monk said:

Surely men and women just die once each, don't they?

Per 100K people. Men outnumber women in deaths. I guess that's why there's more women in the world than men

[CrutyRammers]

mjb1 said:

He's right, we should have gone into lock down about a week sooner than we did, it was obvious how it's unfolding here. We're 2 weeks behind Italy on an exponential curve, of course our death rate is lower.

He was, I believe, referring to Italy's death rate 2 weeks ago. Last week, we were tracking them exactly, now we are diverging downwards from where they were.

[anonymous-user]

I accept the seriousness of this situation and as such I’m taking the advice very seriously however our numbers of cases & deaths as tragic as they are and make no mistake it’s tragic that people are taken before their time, tragic that families lose loved ones, lives & stories lost forever. However our numbers don’t seem all that bad compared to others. We have less than 10k total cases (confirmed cases) & 463 deaths. Either we aren’t being told the truth or we are about to see an explosion of cases. I don’t know, just seems really low when you consider the messages the government are building a make shift hospital, temporary mortuaries, emergency ventilators.

I want to take a moment to wish you all the very best, I don’t really have much to do with the community here and I don’t know anyone here. Truthfully I’m not going to stay around here much longer because I personally can’t deal with my own mental health issues. I just wanted to wish you all the very best, I saw a few of you have parents and grandparents seriously I’ll with this virus, my comments earlier in this post are not to minimise the pain and hardship your loved ones and you are going through. I wish you and your loved ones the absolute best, I genuinely pray for the best outcome, I believe the NHS are the best people to care for your loved ones and I know that they will always do the absolute best for all of you. To the person who lost a loved one to this virus, I am so f**king sorry for your loss.

Anyway thanks to everyone who works or volunteers in the supply chains, the stores, the emergency services and the NHS, thank you to all of you for your service and sacrifices. You’re inspirations to all of us and I hope in time you will get the recognition and support you need.

[Agammemnon]

S1KRR said:

Per 100K people. Men outnumber women in deaths. I guess that's why there's more women in the world than men

1 person 1 death, surely? 100k people 100k deaths. What figure are you using?

[S1KRR]

youngsyr said:

What? You can buy them for less than £2 on eBay?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/15mm-NHS-printed-double...

Probably the actual ID on the end of that lanyard more than the lanyard itself!

[CarlosFandango11]

S1KRR said:

The Mad Monk said:

Surely men and women just die once each, don't they?

Per 100K people. Men outnumber women in deaths. I guess that's why there's more women in the world than men

All of the 100k people are going to die, men and women.

If you meant to consider deaths over a time period, say one year, then more men would die than women.

[MX6]

Red 4 said:

youngsyr said:

Red 4 said:

An observation from today;

There are lots of "Golightly's" about today. They are taking up space on the pavements.

Pseudo lockdown must be the first bit of exercise they've had in years.

I'm not sure whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.

To be fair, the "exercise" exemption to the lockdown isn't just for physical exercise, it's for mental health reasons too.

Yeah, I get that. It's fair enough.

My travels today took me through a nature reserve and, although it wasn't heaving - it is a relatively remote area and it was much busier than usual.

I go there a fair bit (in my defence) because it's on my doorstep.

I reckon numbers will tail off as the novelty wears off.

[anonymous-user]

Pretty accurate, never seen so many runners & cyclists! Taking the government sanctioned exercise

[JagLover]

Castrol for a knave said:

Some of the UK GDP models are showing a 20% downturn, but a few of us think that might be too pessimistic, and that there is probably a lot of cash tied up and unspent due to the lockdown. Sure, there will be a cash burn for some but others are likely to hold spend back, which might be released in Q3 into Q4.

A V shaped recovery depends on restrictions being lifted for the recovery to take place.

There are many, including myself, who support temporary restrictions to enable the NHS to put the capacity in place to deal with this crisis. Where opinions mainly seem to be diverging is what to do a month from now. Some seem to want to wait for a vaccine others want to isolate the vulnerable and then let the rest get back to normal. One path offers the chance of a V shaped recovery while the other leads to a depression as bad as the 1930s IMO.

[Red 4]

MX6 said:

Red 4 said:

youngsyr said:

Red 4 said:

An observation from today;

There are lots of "Golightly's" about today. They are taking up space on the pavements.

Pseudo lockdown must be the first bit of exercise they've had in years.

I'm not sure whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.

To be fair, the "exercise" exemption to the lockdown isn't just for physical exercise, it's for mental health reasons too.

Yeah, I get that. It's fair enough.

My travels today took me through a nature reserve and, although it wasn't heaving - it is a relatively remote area and it was much busier than usual.

I go there a fair bit (in my defence) because it's on my doorstep.

I reckon numbers will tail off as the novelty wears off.

Ha. That is so true.

I only saw 1 phone zombie today.

It's like going back in time in some respects. I'm finding the experience quite surreal !

[K77 CTR]

tux said:

Truthfully I’m not going to stay around here much longer because I personally can’t deal with my own mental health issues.

I hope you mean on this thread and/or pistonheads. If there is more meaning to this sentence then please make sure you talk to someone. Always happy for you to reach out if needed, send me a message.

Thank you for recognising the work we are all doing to try and make this the best outcome for the majority.