castle combe :(
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In this case, sadly it was the team not being able to field a car (#42) that could reliably attain the required standard that ALL of the other teams managed.
Damm pity as I was hoping for them to take it to the Ferarris & the Porsches.
Note: I do not approve of Nimbys in the slightest.
Damm pity as I was hoping for them to take it to the Ferarris & the Porsches.
Note: I do not approve of Nimbys in the slightest.
Well...we, as the TVRCC, had our track day there yesterday...
...and, as in the last 2yrs, they asked if they/we could go straight through lunch and finish @ 4 instead of 5...to let other w/e competitors presumeably go out and test.
Our limit on the day was 100db.
So what was the limit for them ?
Its up to CC to decide if they want to play by the rules, but in their current predacament I wouldn't have thought they would even present the request !
As it turns out, by the time I left only a few v.boring looking saloons had ventured out...looked to me more like a mechanic's sighting opportunity !
The TVRCC could have made better use of circuit time coz of the weather had the request been refused.
Lets see what happens next yr.
...and, as in the last 2yrs, they asked if they/we could go straight through lunch and finish @ 4 instead of 5...to let other w/e competitors presumeably go out and test.
Our limit on the day was 100db.
So what was the limit for them ?
Its up to CC to decide if they want to play by the rules, but in their current predacament I wouldn't have thought they would even present the request !
As it turns out, by the time I left only a few v.boring looking saloons had ventured out...looked to me more like a mechanic's sighting opportunity !
The TVRCC could have made better use of circuit time coz of the weather had the request been refused.
Lets see what happens next yr.
I was there today, the TVRs didn't sound any louder than any of the other cars there. Infact i reckon the bloody awfull noisy VW TDI racers were probably the loudest of the day. Was very surpised when they were brought in in the qualifying session.
The 350z was going bloody well though, even though it didn't get away from the line and started over half a lap down. Think it got lapped in the end but was still putting in an impressive race.
Cheers,
Rob.
The 350z was going bloody well though, even though it didn't get away from the line and started over half a lap down. Think it got lapped in the end but was still putting in an impressive race.
Cheers,
Rob.
Full story on home page www.tvrcc.com
Its worse than that As LNT have now pulled out of all GT racing here in blighty!
NO TVRS on BGT
Its worse than that As LNT have now pulled out of all GT racing here in blighty!
NO TVRS on BGT
Chuggaboom said:
Well...we, as the TVRCC, had our track day there yesterday...
...and, as in the last 2yrs, they asked if they/we could go straight through lunch and finish @ 4 instead of 5...to let other w/e competitors presumeably go out and test.
Our limit on the day was 100db.
So what was the limit for them ?
After the track day, the F3/GT guys were only allowed out on the track in normal road cars, the GT cars were not allowed out as the limit for friday was 100dB.
The limit for the GT class cars that the TVR GT cars were in was 114dB (IIRC), and they were a *lot* louder. As previously mentioned, *all* the other cars were within this limit, so I'm a little peeved myself that the TVR team threw their toys out of their pram and withdrew from BGT completely! They know the rules the same as everyone else, and the circuit has enough problems with noise at the moment as it is.
Cheers,
Karl
Exactly karl
oh and they were a lot noiser than the rest of the feild the tvr's caused the problem last year too one was found to be running at 120+ dba that is just bloody stupid and careless.
Afterall the GT race is just one weekend so why should one team spoil the chances of castle combe holding another race next by being to loud.
Nathan Kinch set a fine example by saying that it would be great for the crowds to hear the cars unsilenced but noise regulations are set so we just get on meet whats required!!!
oh and they were a lot noiser than the rest of the feild the tvr's caused the problem last year too one was found to be running at 120+ dba that is just bloody stupid and careless.
Afterall the GT race is just one weekend so why should one team spoil the chances of castle combe holding another race next by being to loud.
Nathan Kinch set a fine example by saying that it would be great for the crowds to hear the cars unsilenced but noise regulations are set so we just get on meet whats required!!!
micron750 said:
Exactly karl
oh and they were a lot noiser than the rest of the feild the tvr's caused the problem last year too one was found to be running at 120+ dba that is just bloody stupid and careless.
Afterall the GT race is just one weekend so why should one team spoil the chances of castle combe holding another race next by being to loud.
Nathan Kinch set a fine example by saying that it would be great for the crowds to hear the cars unsilenced but noise regulations are set so we just get on meet whats required!!!
In the Tavern, on Saturday evening, after the day was finished, I bumped into one of the Scuderia Ecosse guys and started to congratulate him on his day. It turned out to be the team owner
He commented that it was sad to see the TVRs going home, but that they [TVR] had (allegedly) been told a number of times that they were too loud. The Ferrari's won both races taking positions 1 and 2, and they fall within the sound limits, so why can't TVR? A cracking weekend for Ferrari anyway, and a good weekend's racing all round
Hi
just to be clear about a few things with regard to team LNT.
The cars were not the loudest on track
They were noise tested (statically) at 106 - well below the limit.
The exhaust exits on the LH side of the car and the noise meter on track therefore penalises the TVRs unfairly as they are not creating any more noise than other cars at the track.
noise levels from the pit wall showed we were quieter than other cars (fact)
after qualifying session one we had a problem with the #42 car and it did fail a static test (exhaust damage)this was rectified
as the noise meter is closer to our exhaust than any other car we felt we would be black flagged in the race and could see no point continuing.
our withdrawal from the BGT is due to a number of technical issues not being checked on other cars and various decision which have been incorrect according to the rules
we have developed cars that can beat the Ferraris and Porsches and we will find a more level playing field to prove this
there is no point distracting our effort in a series that currently does not enforce the rules fairly, someone has to make a stand
i would like to apologise to any TVR fans who made the effort to come to combe. i asked the commentator to announce the withdrawal of the cars as soon as possible and had this posted on daily sportscar.
we will continue to win with TVR
just to be clear about a few things with regard to team LNT.
The cars were not the loudest on track
They were noise tested (statically) at 106 - well below the limit.
The exhaust exits on the LH side of the car and the noise meter on track therefore penalises the TVRs unfairly as they are not creating any more noise than other cars at the track.
noise levels from the pit wall showed we were quieter than other cars (fact)
after qualifying session one we had a problem with the #42 car and it did fail a static test (exhaust damage)this was rectified
as the noise meter is closer to our exhaust than any other car we felt we would be black flagged in the race and could see no point continuing.
our withdrawal from the BGT is due to a number of technical issues not being checked on other cars and various decision which have been incorrect according to the rules
we have developed cars that can beat the Ferraris and Porsches and we will find a more level playing field to prove this
there is no point distracting our effort in a series that currently does not enforce the rules fairly, someone has to make a stand
i would like to apologise to any TVR fans who made the effort to come to combe. i asked the commentator to announce the withdrawal of the cars as soon as possible and had this posted on daily sportscar.
we will continue to win with TVR
lnt said:
our withdrawal from the BGT is due to a number of technical issues not being checked on other cars and various decision which have been incorrect according to the rules
lnt said:
we have developed cars that can beat the Ferraris and Porsches and we will find a more level playing field to prove this
lnt said:
there is no point distracting our effort in a series that currently does not enforce the rules fairly, someone has to make a stand
I've no axe to grind but with an ear to the track, all doesnt seem well with BGT at the mo..
teams pulling out ( at least 2 to my knowledge) with rules issues, and lots of grumblings over tyres...
Discuss
Graham said:Red rag - bull anybody.....
teams pulling out ( at least 2 to my knowledge) with rules issues, and lots of grumblings over tyres...
Discuss
On a more positive note - every spectator banking was full all weekend, when every other circuit in the country struggles to attract any significant number of viewers. One can't help thinking that the current SRO, MSV spat can't be helping this, as the only other person in the country that appears to be able to promote an event is Mr Palmer.
I feel that hatchets require burying very quickly to maintain this calendar at the top of British motorsport.
scuffham said:
maybee you should all thinkabout ditching BGT and going with Britcar.... (ducks for cover!)
I did, for similar reasons to those voiced by the TVR boy's, 996 cup cars start with 405bhp at the flywheel, weigh in at circa 1150klgs and amazingly only have 320bhp at the rear wheels, Why, simple, one small insignificant BMW team of little or no importance, paying the same race fees as everyone else mind you, and God knows how many P996's and F360's etc cup cars, get real folks , who would you want to keep happy, it's the P/F challenge.
Anyway, that's in the past, for we have just had the best weekends racing since the TVR Tuscan Challenge died, on second thoughts, we've just had the best weekends racing full stop.
In Britcar, despite being 5/6 sec a lap slower then the fastest cars in class 3 we managed a podium first time out, Third in class, through a combination of consistent lap times, fast changeovers, a good prep team, reliability and about 99% luck
Here's another interesting thing, what do you get when 99% of the cars in a EERC race are owned by those driving,???? careful and respectful drivers for starters, which is rather refreshing to say the least.
lnt said:This is not correct - in the sessions that the cars ran in, they were approx 3 to 4dB(a) louder than the next loudest (Morgan/Nissan/360GTC)
The cars were not the loudest on track
lnt said:The correct number was 109dB(a) at 3/4 of the declared maximum of 6500rpm. This was prior to Sat untimed session.
They were noise tested (statically) at 106 - well below the limit.
lnt said:The result for this test was 118dB(a) at 3/4 of the declared maximum of 7000rpm. The car was not presented for a retest.
after qualifying session one we had a problem with the #42 car and it did fail a static test (exhaust damage)this was rectified
Hope this helps.
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