Blue book without licence
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I was just wondering, is it possible to buy a copy of the blue book from the MSA(?) if you do not have a licence?
The reason I ask is that I want to ensure that the kit car I'm building will be eligible for speed events within the modified production car class (if and when it gets classified as this rather than sports libre as at the moment). I intend to make a few modifications, including aerodynamic mods, during the build and would rather make sure that these fall within the regulations if I can.
The reason I ask is that I want to ensure that the kit car I'm building will be eligible for speed events within the modified production car class (if and when it gets classified as this rather than sports libre as at the moment). I intend to make a few modifications, including aerodynamic mods, during the build and would rather make sure that these fall within the regulations if I can.
[quote=LexSport]I was just wondering, is it possible to buy a copy of the blue book from the MSA(?) if you do not have a licence?
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In short, Yes. Normally you get it for free with your Go Racing pack (or maybe it's with your licence, can't remember...) but you can buy them direct from the MSA for about £15.
www.msauk.org
Don't forget one thing though - if you take a long time to build the car, the regs may be outdated by the time you get to race it. Might be worth waiting for the 2006 book at this stage, unless you're ready to go racing in the next couple of months
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In short, Yes. Normally you get it for free with your Go Racing pack (or maybe it's with your licence, can't remember...) but you can buy them direct from the MSA for about £15.
www.msauk.org
Don't forget one thing though - if you take a long time to build the car, the regs may be outdated by the time you get to race it. Might be worth waiting for the 2006 book at this stage, unless you're ready to go racing in the next couple of months
Excellent, cheers Garrett! Should have taken a look at the MSA website, shouldn't I? There it is in black and white in the online shop. D'oh!
GarrettMacD said:Good call, at the rate I'm going, 07 might be a better bet!
Don't forget one thing though - if you take a long time to build the car, the regs may be outdated by the time you get to race it. Might be worth waiting for the 2006 book at this stage, unless you're ready to go racing in the next couple of months
Pick your speed championship now and work to their technical regs, they take precedence over the blue book. Most of them seem to be similar but it would be a shame to get caught out. Also consider competing initially in a standard car because it makes things a lot fairer. In a heavily modified car you stand to be at a significant disadvantage initially since your car will have had relatively little development.
Thanks guys.
I'm really building the car as a road/track car, with a view to maybe taking it hill climbing and sprinting if I want to throw still more money at it. As such, the modifications are more for my own amusement rather than trying to gain a specific advantage on the hills. I'm just thinking that if there are regulations like the rear wing cannot protrude beyond the rearmost bodywork or stuff like that, that I might as well take it into consideration during the build so as to stop me disqualifying myself before I even think about competing.
As for the championship, I'll probably look at the HSA Speed Championship unless anyone has any pressing reason to avoid it. It seems to take in some decent events and I know of one other Libra owner already competing in it. The regs seem to be pretty short on car specs, so I assume it will be down to eligibility as listed in the Blue Book. I'll have a thorough read to confirm this though.
Incorrigible, many thanks for the offer, however, being an impatient sod, the MSA already have £20 winging its way from my credit card.
I'm really building the car as a road/track car, with a view to maybe taking it hill climbing and sprinting if I want to throw still more money at it.
As such, the modifications are more for my own amusement rather than trying to gain a specific advantage on the hills. I'm just thinking that if there are regulations like the rear wing cannot protrude beyond the rearmost bodywork or stuff like that, that I might as well take it into consideration during the build so as to stop me disqualifying myself before I even think about competing. As for the championship, I'll probably look at the HSA Speed Championship unless anyone has any pressing reason to avoid it. It seems to take in some decent events and I know of one other Libra owner already competing in it. The regs seem to be pretty short on car specs, so I assume it will be down to eligibility as listed in the Blue Book. I'll have a thorough read to confirm this though.
Incorrigible, many thanks for the offer, however, being an impatient sod, the MSA already have £20 winging its way from my credit card.
technical regs in the blue book change fairly infrequently so i dont think you will have a problem with regards to bodywork etc. there are some championships which run a rule stating that bodywork/silhouette above the centre of the wheels must remain the same but this could be unique to certain south west championships.
personally, i would build the car without any modifications and developments, then see what needs doing from there. it would be pointless spendinf time and money developing a diffuser for example, if there wasnt a need for one.
personally, i would build the car without any modifications and developments, then see what needs doing from there. it would be pointless spendinf time and money developing a diffuser for example, if there wasnt a need for one.
GreenV8S said:
Do check the championship tech regs before you get too far, as far as I can remember there are very few categories where wings are permitted unless fitted as standard on a road car.
if they are not permitted on a standard road car you will only be moved to mod prod and not excluded from the event. unless you are going hell bent on winning the championship this shouldnt really be an issue. I had to sprint the 205 in modified road going classes owing to various mods and was right at the bottom of the time sheets but it really is just about fun and enjoying it. there will always be someone with more experience and money at the ready...
If I remember rightly you won't be able to run a kit car in road production or mod prod classes unless it is - or has been - available for sale as a 'turnkey' vehicle.
I think hillclimb and sprint regs differ on this, but I may be out of date - and the supplemenatry regs can vary considerably from championship to championship and club to club.
I think hillclimb and sprint regs differ on this, but I may be out of date - and the supplemenatry regs can vary considerably from championship to championship and club to club.
Thanks again guys, seems it's more of a minefield than I thought...
Well, the situation is that I'm building a GTM Libra kit car that is available turnkey or in kit form from the factory here in the UK, and only turnkey in Germany and (I think) Australia. Their current demo car actually has a wing fitted to it and I believe it is a factory option, although if the regs allow it, I'll be making myself a proper one that actually works.
I was told that the MSA had accepted the Libra as mod prod, but more recently that a mistake was made and it's currently still lumped into sports libre, with negotiations continuing with the MSA regarding mod prod categorisation. With a view that eventually it will be classed in that category, these are the regs I intend to try to stick to.
One snag might be that they are available as standard with 1.4, 1.6, 1.8, 1.8VVC and 2.5(V6) k series engines. I'm fitting a 1.9 Scholar block although essentially it's a modified 1.8VVC so shouldn't be too much of an issue I'm hoping.
When it comes down to it though, the car will be first and foremost a road car. I'm not going for ultimate pace - I'm keeping the carpets and will even be fitting aircon. But, if I do end up competing it would be good if the mods I make don't force me outside the same class as any other Libras. Additionally (with my money-grubbing head on), as I intend to test any bits I make in a wind tunnel (again, mainly just because I enjoy playing with this sort of stuff), if I can show them to work on the car, I might be able to flog a few kits to other owners.
>> Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 30th June 10:55
Well, the situation is that I'm building a GTM Libra kit car that is available turnkey or in kit form from the factory here in the UK, and only turnkey in Germany and (I think) Australia. Their current demo car actually has a wing fitted to it and I believe it is a factory option, although if the regs allow it, I'll be making myself a proper one that actually works.
I was told that the MSA had accepted the Libra as mod prod, but more recently that a mistake was made and it's currently still lumped into sports libre, with negotiations continuing with the MSA regarding mod prod categorisation. With a view that eventually it will be classed in that category, these are the regs I intend to try to stick to.
One snag might be that they are available as standard with 1.4, 1.6, 1.8, 1.8VVC and 2.5(V6) k series engines. I'm fitting a 1.9 Scholar block although essentially it's a modified 1.8VVC so shouldn't be too much of an issue I'm hoping.
When it comes down to it though, the car will be first and foremost a road car. I'm not going for ultimate pace - I'm keeping the carpets and will even be fitting aircon. But, if I do end up competing it would be good if the mods I make don't force me outside the same class as any other Libras. Additionally (with my money-grubbing head on), as I intend to test any bits I make in a wind tunnel (again, mainly just because I enjoy playing with this sort of stuff), if I can show them to work on the car, I might be able to flog a few kits to other owners.
>> Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 30th June 10:55
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