Why the delay on potential punishment?

Why the delay on potential punishment?

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andyps

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7,817 posts

282 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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As the FIA have said they will wait until september 14th to deliver any punishment to the 7 Michelin teams I have been wondering why.

I hope I am wrong, but three races from the finish would give FIA the chance to set a penalty which would give the world championship to any team they fancied as the results to then would be a good indication of the final positions, and could be tweaked as required.

Also, maybe it is because Max is trying to protect his job.

These are my views, what do you think?

Incorrigible

13,668 posts

261 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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On the plus side it gives the other teams time to paint their cars red and get a chinny German driver

That'll go in their favor

s2gonzo

6,235 posts

240 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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andyps said:
As the FIA have said they will wait until september 14th to deliver any punishment to the 7 Michelin teams I have been wondering why.

I hope I am wrong, but three races from the finish would give FIA the chance to set a penalty which would give the world championship to any team they fancied as the results to then would be a good indication of the final positions, and could be tweaked as required.

Also, maybe it is because Max is trying to protect his job.

These are my views, what do you think?


Nail+head?

I still think this is an unreal situation. Check out Minardi's website and Paul Stoddart's step by step guide to what happened. Can't beleive that Mosley still beleives he's the inocent party.

Defies belief!!

NightDriver

1,080 posts

226 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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The official reason is that the teams will hopefully try to repair the damage they did to the sport and so there may be no punishment.

However it is obvious the FIA have done this so that none of the teams will upset them for the rest of the season beacuse they are all too scared of race bans.

rubystone

11,254 posts

259 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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Yep, NightDriver's got it in one. Michelin's offer to compensate fans should avoid any further sanction for the teams.

tinman0

18,231 posts

240 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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They are delaying because they want to see how the year turns out for Ferrari.

If Ferrari are in contact with the top point scorers, then those teams will be suspended or at least will have point penalties. Then Ferrari will be world champions again.

Thats where my money is.

scuffham

20,887 posts

274 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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tinman0 said:
They are delaying because they want to see how the year turns out for Ferrari.

If Ferrari are in contact with the top point scorers, then those teams will be suspended or at least will have point penalties. Then Ferrari will be world champions again.

Thats where my money is.


hate to say it, but this is bang on the money I think...

personally I think the FIA should just FRO

mindgam3

740 posts

236 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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The michelin teams also said that if they were fined they wouldnt race at the French GP either.

NightDriver

1,080 posts

226 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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scuffham said:

personally I think the FIA should just FRO


I agree 110%

rallysanf

99 posts

230 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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It seems the FIA were worried about the teams striking at this time in the season as this would potentially write the season off. However with 3 races to go is Max Mosley banking on the fact he can dish out the punishments and the teams will just take it?

Also it means the teams will have to have their 2006 plans in place, so the FIA will know which teams are getting ready for 2006.

In the attached article, I think the quote 'the FIA always win' could come back and haunt Max. The FIA will win as long as the teams turn up and race!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4623833.stm

tinman0

18,231 posts

240 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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max said:

"What are they going to do? If they go on strike, they're simply cutting off their nose to spite their face. That won't happen."



I think this translates as "its my toy and i'll throw it out the pram if i want to".

I also think hes overplaying his role.

The companies are paid by sponsors - but what better coverage would the sponsors get by watching this whole thing unfold on tv this season?

The teams could boycott every race like they did with the US race, and then race on a Wednesday at an independant track with virtually free TV coverage. Every race would be on every major news channel every Wednesday evening as this argument was played out in public.

The sponsors would be getting prime time viewing on national TV news stations for the rest of the season.

>> Edited by tinman0 on Thursday 30th June 15:14

LongQ

13,864 posts

233 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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It seems that the teams are to appeal anyway on the basis that they have a good defence against the charge of not ensuring they had the correct tyres and that the second 'guilty' verdict was justified on the basis of 'guilt' relating to a charge that was not brought against them.

I think Mosley has really lost track of what is going on here and his instructions (presumably) to the World Council have been misinterpreted.

That Red Bull Racing are not attempting to defend their part in the events presumably should be taken as confirmation of how the politics stacks up.

http://autoexpress.crash.net/news.asp?nid=113966

Several other interesting press relesses and reports referenced there also.

NightDriver

1,080 posts

226 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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This is one of my posts from one of the other F1 threads with a couple of classic quotes,

Just to prove what a complete head case mosley is here are a few quotes from a recent interveiw,

"But the governing body will always win. So I'm not concerned if they take an antagonistic line. What are they going to do? If they go on strike, they're simply cutting off their nose to spite their face. That won't happen."


He will always win will he?

"They were incredibly stupid because there are no winners in a situation like this - except the American lawyers. It was crazy," said Mosley.

"I felt intense irritation because I also suspected the tyre problem was not as grave as they represented.

"I felt the situation had been created artificially and deliberately."


Obviously becuase the teams flew all the way out to Indy so they could fake a tyre problem. And obviously they filled Ralfs tyre with explosives so it blew up to give them a good excuse. Yeah thats what I always thought.

I reckon as the tyres are so safe someone should offer Mr. Mosley a few laps of Indy in an F1 car with the Michelin tyres on. I wonder what he would say?

scuffham

20,887 posts

274 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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very well put...

I personally think that if Max stays and carries on like this then there will be no creadable F1 racing next year...

I really don't want to sa a manufactures serise, but if it is what is required to get the FIA to either shape up or die, then so be it...

mindgam3

740 posts

236 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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Anyone know why Red Bull were found not guilty on all counts?

Is it soley because they are not completely associated with the breakaway group?

kevinday

11,638 posts

280 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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mindgam3 said:
Anyone know why Red Bull were found not guilty on all counts?

Is it soley because they are not completely associated with the breakaway group?


I thought Red Bull was also found guilty, just they have not yet decided what to do.

NightDriver

1,080 posts

226 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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mindgam3 said:
Anyone know why Red Bull were found not guilty on all counts?

Is it soley because they are not completely associated with the breakaway group?


I think that Red Bull are not sure if they are going to appeal, could be wrong though.

tinman0

18,231 posts

240 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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mindgam3 said:
Anyone know why Red Bull were found not guilty on all counts?

Is it soley because they are not completely associated with the breakaway group?


because they are getting ferrari engines next season?

NightDriver

1,080 posts

226 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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tinman0 said:

mindgam3 said:
Anyone know why Red Bull were found not guilty on all counts?

Is it soley because they are not completely associated with the breakaway group?



because they are getting ferrari engines next season?


That would explain it