The El Chapo Mclaren F1 - Mr Clarkes F1 LM Harrods 06R
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Some interesting points raised through this video.
Chassis 039 supposedly in Mexico with no keys...
The F1 LM carrying the same plate and VIN as 039...
So is the most famous LM a rep of the real thing made my Mr Clarke after he somehow imported the lost 039 F1 from Mexico?
Chassis 039 supposedly in Mexico with no keys...
The F1 LM carrying the same plate and VIN as 039...
So is the most famous LM a rep of the real thing made my Mr Clarke after he somehow imported the lost 039 F1 from Mexico?
Edited by jeremyc on Monday 14th December 15:32
hyphen said:
Whats the summary of the Video?
039 was built for Ron Dennis, his wife didn't like it. He took number 050 in Silver.It sat for a year before been registered.
Owned in the UK a short while then exported to Mexico via the US.
Lots of photo's and a video of it in Mexico.
Owner in a drug cartel gets killed..
Keys lost, Mexicans contact McLaren wanting new keys in 2005. McLaren ask for $300,000 for a key (half of the cars value at the time).
LM 06R road registered in 2005 with the VIN and Number plate of the mexican 039 car.
Mexican 039 car has never been found.
Plenty of Mclaren propellerheads in this thread that may help you https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
The Harrods F1 GTR is 06R. The Elchapo F1 039. is The main thing the plate. The number plate is registered to a McLaren F1 and the Colour is Yellow but is manufactured in 1996 according to UK car check website. The Harrods F1 GTR raced in 1995 and obviously would have been made in that year or before.
I’m going to do some more digging and see what I can find out.
I’m going to do some more digging and see what I can find out.
I think 1996 was the registration date (18/12/1996), as a race car it may not have been registered straight after it was delivered?
I do agree that the re-use of that registration on very similar cars does create some questions but there are non-consipracy explanations too.
According to 'the internet' the car was sold in 1995, and then upgraded to 1996 spec. David Clark bought the car in late 1997 and changed the livery back to the Harrods livery it had worn up until 1996.
I do agree that the re-use of that registration on very similar cars does create some questions but there are non-consipracy explanations too.
According to 'the internet' the car was sold in 1995, and then upgraded to 1996 spec. David Clark bought the car in late 1997 and changed the livery back to the Harrods livery it had worn up until 1996.
06R - Manufactured in 1995 - It raced in 1995 BPR. In 1996 It was changed to the new specifications for BBR. It raced in 1997 in FIA GT.
039 - Manufactured in Late 1995 - Since it is a late 1995 car it would have been registered as 1996 P Reg.
1995 - N Reg
1996 - P Reg
This all seems a bit odd. I would have thought the GTR would have been register as N Reg when made road legal.
039 - Manufactured in Late 1995 - Since it is a late 1995 car it would have been registered as 1996 P Reg.
1995 - N Reg
1996 - P Reg
This all seems a bit odd. I would have thought the GTR would have been register as N Reg when made road legal.
Let's assume 06R wasn't registered in 1995 (race car). Then it was (re-)built to 96 spec in 1996. At that point the owner wanted to register, and they / the factory said the car was built in 1996 as that was the year it was built / rebuilt to 1996 and road legal spec? I believe 06R as was would not have been road legal and that conversion would have happened a bit later.
Edited by CharlesElliott on Monday 14th December 16:33
NoBrakesWC said:
The Harrods F1 GTR is 06R. The Elchapo F1 039. is The main thing the plate. The number plate is registered to a McLaren F1 and the Colour is Yellow but is manufactured in 1996 according to UK car check website. The Harrods F1 GTR raced in 1995 and obviously would have been made in that year or before.
I’m going to do some more digging and see what I can find out.
This car was parked on the street outside one of my central London apartments a couple of years ago.I’m going to do some more digging and see what I can find out.
It sat there for quite a while. Looked striking in the flesh.
DaveK-S1 said:
IIRC year of manufacture has no bearing on the registration letter given at the time of registration.
A car can be 10 years old and unregistered, it should get a current reg for the date of registration
When a car is registered in UK for the first time, the plate # assigned relates to date of manufacture, regardless of date of first registration.A car can be 10 years old and unregistered, it should get a current reg for the date of registration
Waitey said:
039 was built for Ron Dennis, his wife didn't like it. He took number 050 in Silver.
It sat for a year before been registered.
Owned in the UK a short while then exported to Mexico via the US.
Lots of photo's and a video of it in Mexico.
Owner in a drug cartel gets killed..
Keys lost, Mexicans contact McLaren wanting new keys in 2005. McLaren ask for $300,000 for a key (half of the cars value at the time).
LM 06R road registered in 2005 with the VIN and Number plate of the mexican 039 car.
Mexican 039 car has never been found.
The guy in the video speculates that #039 was brought back into the UK by then-owner of Harrods car and has been kept in secrecy since than.It sat for a year before been registered.
Owned in the UK a short while then exported to Mexico via the US.
Lots of photo's and a video of it in Mexico.
Owner in a drug cartel gets killed..
Keys lost, Mexicans contact McLaren wanting new keys in 2005. McLaren ask for $300,000 for a key (half of the cars value at the time).
LM 06R road registered in 2005 with the VIN and Number plate of the mexican 039 car.
Mexican 039 car has never been found.
If you wanted it kept secret that you owned and had re-imported #039, you probably wouldn't take its reg number and put it on another highly visible F1 that you often showed in public.
flemke said:
When a car is registered in UK for the first time, the plate # assigned relates to date of manufacture, regardless of date of first registration.
I swear I've seen McLaren's first registered with the current registration plate even though they were built in a different year.R8Reece said:
flemke said:
When a car is registered in UK for the first time, the plate # assigned relates to date of manufacture, regardless of date of first registration.
I swear I've seen McLaren's first registered with the current registration plate even though they were built in a different year.I know of one or two cases of (non-F1) cars that left the production line in Year 1, official production of the model finished in Year 1, but the car had further personal modifications done by the factory before it was released to the client in Year 2 or 3, and the reg number corresponds to 2 or 3.
If you import a used car to the UK, the DVLA will automatically assign it a reg number corresponding to when it left the factory, regardless of when it arrived in UK and was first registered in UK.
Rule is intended to ensure that a car cannot be made to seem as if it were newer than it is.
flemke said:
When a car is registered in UK for the first time, the plate # assigned relates to date of manufacture, regardless of date of first registration.
Hi Flemke , I registered a Caterham back in 2013 , it was given a 63 plate despite the fact the car was built in 2003.The car went through the IVA process , not sure if main stream manufacture are subject to different rules on registration though.
I have seen other unregistered cars registered on current plates though despite being a "old model"
Just read what you have written above, i'm relating to first registration rather than reregistering an imported car, so yes i think you are quite correct in that instance
Edited by DaveK-S1 on Tuesday 15th December 13:03
If the car is 'declared new at first registration' then that's the date it will be given for registration. If the car was 'buillt' in one year but registered and 'declared new' another year, it will be given the later plate. It is manufacturers / official importers that can declare the car as new.
flemke said:
You mean F1s? I don't think so.
I know of one or two cases of (non-F1) cars that left the production line in Year 1, official production of the model finished in Year 1, but the car had further personal modifications done by the factory before it was released to the client in Year 2 or 3, and the reg number corresponds to 2 or 3.
If you import a used car to the UK, the DVLA will automatically assign it a reg number corresponding to when it left the factory, regardless of when it arrived in UK and was first registered in UK.
Rule is intended to ensure that a car cannot be made to seem as if it were newer than it is.
Apologies, no, wasn't an F1, it was a 720s but it was built in year 1 but first registered in year 2 or 3 with a 2 or 3 plate.I know of one or two cases of (non-F1) cars that left the production line in Year 1, official production of the model finished in Year 1, but the car had further personal modifications done by the factory before it was released to the client in Year 2 or 3, and the reg number corresponds to 2 or 3.
If you import a used car to the UK, the DVLA will automatically assign it a reg number corresponding to when it left the factory, regardless of when it arrived in UK and was first registered in UK.
Rule is intended to ensure that a car cannot be made to seem as if it were newer than it is.
HedgeyGedgey said:
Its an interesting story for sure. I think the owner of the Harrods car definitely knows a bit more!! Is that LM 1000% authentic? Its odd that P440 CPJ is registered as yellow now, and appears to have lost all its mileage on the MOTs
It's not an LM, it's a GTR - a racing car.The GTRs did not have odometers as standard, because racing cars do not record mileage but rather the issue is engine running hours. My guess is that at the time of making it road-legal many years ago, they put in a speedometer including odometer, but the new owner (Clark sold it a few years ago) has had that removed for reasons of originality or had the odometer disabled.
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