RE: Volvo has built its last-ever diesel car

RE: Volvo has built its last-ever diesel car

Thursday 28th March

Volvo has built its last-ever diesel car

Volvo has been twinning cars with trusty oil burners since 1979 - well, not anymore


Hands up who has owned a diesel Volvo? A fair few of you, right. Because at one point in time (i.e. about 30 seconds ago on the evolutionary scale) a diesel engine and the practicality and pragmatism of a Volvo went together like melted cheese and toast. You had people and things to move on a regular basis; doing it with the minimum amount of fuss and the maximum amount of efficiency spoke to the Volvo way. And, in more than a few cases, it resulted in a pretty good car. 

Well, despite a slowdown in everyone’s enthusiasm about the alternative ways of powering a family-sized car (and several premium manufacturers duly hitting the brakes on their transition to battery-electric vehicles), Volvo yesterday announced that it was entirely done with the oil burners. ‘We’ve built our last diesel car’ it proclaimed, with the last V60 produced back in February, and the final XC90 completed ‘just the other day’. 

To its credit, Volvo makes no bones about the importance of the black pump to its recent history. ‘For a long time, our diesel engines were synonymous with reliability and efficiency, and they meant a great deal to us for many decades.’ As recently as 2019, the majority of the cars it sold in Europe were diesel-powered; the culmination of a 40-year success story that saw the introduction of the Volvo 244 GL D6 (the world’s first six-cylinder oil burner in a passenger car, according to its maker) back in 1979. 

PH is fairly sure this was a VW engine; in fact, it wasn’t till 2001 (and just in time for diesel to really take off) that Volvo finally produced its own motor - specifically the five-cylinder 2.4-litre D5 that was introduced in the new V70, but went on to become virtually ubiquitous across the Volvo lineup. It was followed in 2008 by the Drive-E range based on a super-frugal 1.6-litre four-pot that could potentially do 800 miles to a tank if you drove like Miss Daisy was paying the bills and had a permanent tailwind. 

Let’s not forget, either, that Volvo was so keen on the efficiency that could be squeezed from a diesel engine that when it first came to the job of buying a plug-in hybrid, it decided to twin an electric motor with the venerable D5 to produced the world’s first diesel-electric production car. Obviously today that would appear to make about as much sense as putting the Blue Peter garden on a North Sea oil rig - but back in 2012 it seemed like a no-brainer; not least because Volvo was still sufficiently preoccupied with diesel to launch an entirely new 2.0-litre motor the following year. 

That engine (part of the extensive Volvo Engine Architecture family), through various derivatives and updates, saw Volvo through to 2024 and - presumably in range-topping 235hp format - was the unit that took its final bow under the XC90’s hood. For Volvo’s part, its sign-off is a ‘big step towards our ambitions of becoming a fully electric car maker, as well as achieving net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2040.’ For the rest of us, it has well earned another solemn tip of the PH cap. RIP, D-badge. 


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Twinair

Original Poster:

663 posts

142 months

Thursday 28th March
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And look at that…

Previously ‘Diesel’ was the beacon to save us all…

Now there is a ‘new’ saviour, called EV…

What is that statement about those that don’t know the mistakes from history are doomed to repeat them…(?)

Or some such…

Hugo Stiglitz

37,133 posts

211 months

Thursday 28th March
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Twinair said:
And look at that…

Previously ‘Diesel’ was the beacon to save us all…

Now there is a ‘new’ saviour, called EV…

What is that statement about those that don’t know the mistakes from history are doomed to repeat them…(?)

Or some such…
They'll be another new savior in 5yrs time.

gazza285

9,811 posts

208 months

Thursday 28th March
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Twinair said:
And look at that…

Previously ‘Diesel’ was the beacon to save us all…

Now there is a ‘new’ saviour, called EV…

What is that statement about those that don’t know the mistakes from history are doomed to repeat them…(?)

Or some such…
100 years ago you could still buy steam powered vehicles for the road, they were replaced by cheaper and more efficient vehicles. People complained then.

S600BSB

4,632 posts

106 months

Thursday 28th March
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It’s a change worth noting, but not sure I would want an oil burner on my drive now tbh.

LankyFreak

670 posts

28 months

Thursday 28th March
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I opened this expecting to see a D5 V70 (Navy, cream leather). Disappointed frown

BricktopST205

900 posts

134 months

Thursday 28th March
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I will be surprised if Volvo cars are still in business in the next decade.

swisstoni

17,000 posts

279 months

Thursday 28th March
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Is it dusty in here? No. It isn’t.

Challo

10,152 posts

155 months

Thursday 28th March
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BricktopST205 said:
I will be surprised if Volvo cars are still in business in the next decade.
Why? Battery will get better and more range and will become the mainstream for people. They want to be become fully electric by 2030.

GT9

6,576 posts

172 months

Thursday 28th March
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Twinair said:
And look at that…

Previously ‘Diesel’ was the beacon to save us all…

Now there is a ‘new’ saviour, called EV…

What is that statement about those that don’t know the mistakes from history are doomed to repeat them…(?)

Or some such…
Sometimes, the details matter.
Diesel vs petrol was a Hobson's choice between incremental CO2 reduction and increased NOx.
The NOx thing was underplayed from the beginning and some us knew it was being underplayed from the beginning but couldn't do much about it.
Now we can choose much less CO2 and much less NOx at the same time.
If anything is being underplayed about EVs, we would already know about it, but nothing yet has come to the surface as real, demonstrable and insurmountable, despite the doom-mongering.
Cue cobalt death/lithium 'rare earth' posts...

119

6,296 posts

36 months

Thursday 28th March
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Would have a D5 on the drive any day of the week.

Great engines and will be missed, however i will still be buying them SH until they run out.

GeniusOfLove

1,351 posts

12 months

Thursday 28th March
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They stopped making the 5 cylinder ones ages ago, these 4 pot diesels were as nasty as any of their type. Nothing whatsoever of value has been lost here.

911Spanker

1,215 posts

16 months

Thursday 28th March
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A real shame.

LankyFreak

670 posts

28 months

Thursday 28th March
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GT9 said:
If anything is being underplayed about EVs, we would already know about it
/tinfoil hat
that's what they want you to think.

GT9

6,576 posts

172 months

Thursday 28th March
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LankyFreak said:
/tinfoil hat
that's what they want you to think.
Who is they?
I work in this field, with all powertrains, so maybe I'm the 'they' I should be worried out.
In which case, I'm not.
Either EVs are designed by a cabal of evil engineers plotting world domination or we are just trying to do our jobs to the best of our ability.
You can decide which.
Elon aside of course... smile

911Spanker

1,215 posts

16 months

Thursday 28th March
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LankyFreak said:
GT9 said:
If anything is being underplayed about EVs, we would already know about it
/tinfoil hat
that's what they want you to think.
Same with diesel wasn't it? It's amazing. It's the future. It's green.

Yada yada.

Crumpet

3,894 posts

180 months

Thursday 28th March
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GeniusOfLove said:
They stopped making the 5 cylinder ones ages ago, these 4 pot diesels were as nasty as any of their type. Nothing whatsoever of value has been lost here.
Not just me then! I thought the D5 I had in my old S60 was a really nice engine, even for a diesel.

The later four-pots are nasty! In fact, the lack of a five, six or eight cylinder engine is the main reason I didn’t go for an XC90 (although there were many other reasons as well)!

I don’t mind Volvos as such, it’s just that there’s always a better option.

GT9

6,576 posts

172 months

Thursday 28th March
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911Spanker said:
Same with diesel wasn't it? It's amazing. It's the future. It's green.

Yada yada.
Being a car enthusiast, sometimes I wish I could just approach this topic from a position of being able to simply ignore the inconvenient truths, and claim it's all a conspiracy to ruin my fun.
Alas, I can't, I envy you though.

Dingu

3,784 posts

30 months

Thursday 28th March
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LankyFreak said:
GT9 said:
If anything is being underplayed about EVs, we would already know about it
/tinfoil hat
that's what they want you to think.
That would be you with the tinfoil hat, not GT9.

dunnoreally

965 posts

108 months

Thursday 28th March
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Baaaaaah, Volvo stopped being cool the moment they took the straight six out of the V60 Polestar.

I maintain, if you want a car like you remember Volvos being back when, get a Skoda Superb.

autumnsum

383 posts

31 months

Thursday 28th March
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911Spanker said:
Same with diesel wasn't it? It's amazing. It's the future. It's green.

Yada yada.
Absolutely NOT. The USA warned and investigated the claims and knew the truth and found it, then fined and imprisoned those responsible.

Also, numerous scientists at the time said diesel was a disaster and were dumbfounded when it was pushed.

EVs on the other hand are brilliant for the local environment & efficiency, there is no other magical clean tech to come, this is the 'end of the road' but it's a good ending.

The cleaner the grid gets the cleaner EVs get, if you're running from solar all the better.

Can't wait for people who don't understand what 'rare earth' means to bring it up...