RE: Check out the smarter, larger VW California

RE: Check out the smarter, larger VW California

Tuesday 7th May

Check out the smarter, larger VW California

MQB-based camper gets PHEV and 4Motion options for the first time, plus - at last - sliding doors on both sides


Seemingly no manufacturer line-up is complete these days without at least one lifestyle option. It might be a truck or a van - or just a plain old estate - but it’ll be kitted out with everything required to live life on the (slightly) wild side. For the VW California, surely the van that still comes to mind first when thinking about campers, this means more competition than would have been the case not long ago; so for this latest version, it’s been kitted out with even more features than ever before. 

Key to the overhaul is building this California from the MQB toolkit, just like the latest Multivan. It means that there’s a 4Motion option for the very first time, which might be handy in far-flung corners of the land, as well as plug-in hybrid power. Alongside a 150hp diesel and 204hp petrol is a 1.5-litre, 245hp PHEV, which is actually the first MQB VW to bring together plug-in power and all-wheel drive. (Cars like the Golf GTE that used this setup were front-drive). As yet, VW doesn’t have a range or charging speed for the PHEV, though if ever there was a car likely to be trickled overnight rather than rapidly juiced on the M40, this must be it. MQB architecture means a whole heap more tech for this California as well, including Travel Assist semi-automated driving assist, which could be handy on the way back from Cornwall. Plus, just as importantly, it’s bigger than ever, now 5,173mm long (more 200mm up on before) and with a chunky 3,124mm wheelbase; handily for maneuvering around the campsite it’s only a little wider (1,941mm against 1,904mm) and no taller with the roof down at 1,990mm.

Instantly recognisable as a California with the optional two-tone paint (there’s Mono Silver/Energetic Orange, Deep Black Pearl/Fontana Red and Candy White/Starlight Blue available), there will be five different specs available. And you thought there were a lot of Golfs. Beach is entry-level, followed up by Beach Tour, Beach Camper, Coast and Ocean. All of them get storage drawers, a ‘large number’ of USB-C ports, and a ‘comfortable mattress’. When VW describes the Beach as ‘essentially a Multivan with a manual pop-up roof’, you get an idea of how sparse it’ll be. And the one everyone wants in 20 years. Beach Tour is five-seat (the Beach is three rows of two) to make more sleeping space, plus it comes with an additional camper battery, folding table and rotating seats. 

Beach Camper is where things start getting really good, as that introduces a mini-kitchen, which Coast builds on with a ‘fully-fledged kitchenette’, two camper batteries and a fridge; Cali Ocean is the flagship and gets heated seats, an auxiliary air heater, even more storage and recycled seat fabric. VW speaks of a ‘three-zone concept’ when it comes to life with a new California: the interior, then each side of the van with the twin sliding doors now standard. You can almost smell the barbecue from here. 

Finally, too, it’s worth mentioning the California app and touch display. The latter is a five-inch screen in the passenger C-pillar, and provides information on the power supply, fridge, water levels and so on. Very modern. It can also set the car to Camping mode, which deactivates Coming Home and Leaving home functions; VW says most of this stuff can be done on the app as well. 

More than 280,000 Californias have been built over the decades, and it seems unlikely that that popularity will wane in the immediate future. Even with what tends to be quite punchy pricing; there aren’t exact figures yet, though with nearly new old models still for sale at £70k it’s clearly not going to be a cheap and cheerful camper. Still, what price do you put on wholesome family bliss? 


 

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pycraft

Original Poster:

800 posts

185 months

Wednesday 8th May
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£70k? I'd budget £50k for a good car and leave £20k for lots of time in some really nice hotels.

epom

11,608 posts

162 months

Wednesday 8th May
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pycraft said:
£70k? I'd budget £50k for a good car and leave £20k for lots of time in some really nice hotels.
Not for you so then ?

2smoke

218 posts

112 months

Wednesday 8th May
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It would be very interesting if they utilise the battery from the PHEV to also power the camping side of the vehicle whilst off-grid. I have an older California and whilst I've never run out of battery energy, it's also always on your mind during a camping trip. I'm sure the electrical energy required to move a heavy van around would last a long time running a few LED's and a fridge instead.

PurpleTurtle

7,048 posts

145 months

Wednesday 8th May
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£70k is for a nearly new old model. I can see this being a bit of an uplift on that.


vikingaero

10,462 posts

170 months

Wednesday 8th May
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2smoke said:
It would be very interesting if they utilise the battery from the PHEV to also power the camping side of the vehicle whilst off-grid. I have an older California and whilst I've never run out of battery energy, it's also always on your mind during a camping trip. I'm sure the electrical energy required to move a heavy van around would last a long time running a few LED's and a fridge instead.
On YouTube there are many people car camping in Tesla S & Y's and using the battery to power the a/c or heating for a comfortable night. Same with Priuses.

DanG355

539 posts

202 months

Wednesday 8th May
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pycraft said:
£70k? I'd budget £50k for a good car and leave £20k for lots of time in some really nice hotels.
I agree! I Sure it will still sell though.

valiant

10,352 posts

161 months

Wednesday 8th May
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They hang on to their value like limpet mines. Yor really won't lose much if you keep it for a few years and then move it on.

They have a cult following and are probably the best of that particular segment and the price isn't really that out of whack when compared to similar campers like a Swift Monza, etc.




SuperPav

1,096 posts

126 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Having owned a 2020 Cali from new, and sold at 3 years old + 20k miles back to a VW dealer at £2k below the original list price, I can safely say that it is reliably one of the cheapest new cars to own. We used it as our 2nd family daily, and it was fantastic.

Prices have died down a little so the above example is probably a bit extreme, but these barely lose 50% over 10 years, so compared to almost anything else new you can buy for £50k, this shouldn't be an expensive ownership proposition.

J4CKO

41,682 posts

201 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Top spec ones of these seem to compete price wise with lower end Boeing and Airbus stuff.

But, suppose if you can afford to buy it, the depreciation means it works out fairly cost effective, on the face of it I think "god no" but I bet they are actually really nice, just cnt be doing with the "sene that goes with it", again its probably great if you are in it, but its a bit cringey, he says fully aware he has a Fiesta ST...

vikingaero

10,462 posts

170 months

Wednesday 8th May
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J4CKO said:
Top spec ones of these seem to compete price wise with lower end Boeing and Airbus stuff.

But, suppose if you can afford to buy it, the depreciation means it works out fairly cost effective, on the face of it I think "god no" but I bet they are actually really nice, just cnt be doing with the "sene that goes with it", again its probably great if you are in it, but its a bit cringey, he says fully aware he has a Fiesta ST...
My sister took delivery of a brand new Cali Ocean about a month ago. All on her company books, on monthly payments and no real depreciation as calculated into the cost. She'll decide at the end of 3 years whether to return or most likely buy it outright.

RosscoPCole

3,335 posts

175 months

Wednesday 8th May
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I have a T6.1 California and it is a fantastic vehicle that we use as our family car. I love that you can cook breakfast after a long walk with the dog, or decide to pop away for the weekend and just enjoy the countryside.
I know it is not everyone's cup of tea, but we think it is a well designed bit of kit.
The new one looks great and the twin sliding doors is a big upgrade, but until I see the new one in the metal, I'm not quite convinced that it is better than the outgoing model as there seems to be less storage and the beds are smaller.
I have also read that Ocean, which is the full camper, could be pretty close to £100,000.

Edited by RosscoPCole on Wednesday 8th May 13:49

Zed Ed

1,113 posts

184 months

Wednesday 8th May
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I’d settle for a lesser version to maintain day to day relevance, and hopefully hybrid not reserved for just the Ocean and higher end models.

Also I’m expecting a substantial price tag; lovely though.

redroadster

1,761 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th May
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They are not cheap but compared to some 70k cars you can have fun camping out going to events and motorsport weekends and small enough to use as a daily driver or small business owners haul owt init .

Fast and Spurious

1,350 posts

89 months

Wednesday 8th May
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valiant said:
They hang on to their value like limpet mines.

Water Fairy

5,522 posts

156 months

Wednesday 8th May
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pycraft said:
£70k? I'd budget £50k for a good car and leave £20k for lots of time in some really nice hotels.
And once your 20k has run dry, which wouldn't take long to be honest, and your 'good car' has lost 50% of its value, the Cali will still be going places and worth an absolute premium still.

You may not 'get it' but this lifestyle choice, whilst expensive, is actually quite savvy.

pycraft

Original Poster:

800 posts

185 months

Wednesday 8th May
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valiant said:
They hang on to their value like limpet mines. Yor really won't lose much if you keep it for a few years and then move it on.
Not a lot of value in a used limpet mine. smile

pycraft

Original Poster:

800 posts

185 months

Wednesday 8th May
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epom said:
pycraft said:
£70k? I'd budget £50k for a good car and leave £20k for lots of time in some really nice hotels.
Not for you so then ?
Fair to say; hey, everyone else gets their oar in with "that's gopping" or "I hate the black wheels", at least mine's a reasoned argument! smile And I'm happy this gives people an opportunity to get off grid if that's what they want; I just very much like the grid and the amenities it provides. I mean no disservice to those who go for the lifestyle, I just can't see the appeal of driving a van to spend the night in a field over taking a really nice GT to a night in a St Regis.

Pebbles167

3,486 posts

153 months

Wednesday 8th May
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pycraft said:
£70k? I'd budget £50k for a good car and leave £20k for lots of time in some really nice hotels.
I'm no fan of camping but even I can see you're missing the point.

I'm actually surprised it's not more expensive.

Fast and Spurious

1,350 posts

89 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Pebbles167 said:
I'm no fan of camping but even I can see you're missing the point.

I'm actually surprised it's not more expensive.
How much is it?

toon10

6,217 posts

158 months

Wednesday 8th May
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I'm out of touch with the current VW lineup. Is this the Ford platform-based VW that everyone's complaining about? I take it the multivan is pretty much a transporter but for Caravelle and up models?

I miss my old T6 conversion. The perfect family car that happens to be a day van/weekend camper. Not sure I'd be happy with the prices of the new Ocean version mind. The petrol appeals. I had the 204 BiTurbo Diesel and it had horrendous problems with the EGR, oil usage, etc. It only had 26k on the clock and I saw the engine management light more than my eldest son while I had it.