Schumacher Vs Mansell?
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racefan_uk said:
If they both had the same equipment and a level playing field at were racing had to head while both were at the top of their game?
Mansell, would walk it. Because he'd have bigger balls and not be scared to go wheel to wheel everywhere.
Mansell wouldn't have the stamina or mental ability to compete over a 70 lap GP, but I agree he would blitz Schumacher over a few laps. Schumacher isn't afraid to go wheel to wheel to the point of putting his opponent on the grass either.
gshughes said:I assume you are talking about now rather than in his days because I recollect him doing ok 15 years ago and don't forget the cars were more physical to drive then. If not this seems like a sweeping generalisation based on nothing but your own opinion.
Mansell wouldn't have the stamina or mental ability to compete over a 70 lap GP
I don't buy that either. Lots of the best sportscar drivers are Mansells age and they deal pretty well with Le Mans, darkness, fatigue, rain, slower traffic, which I would have thought, takes a lot more mental stamina than driving a modern F1 car, which pretty much does everything itself....
richb said:
Mansell wouldn't have the stamina or mental ability to compete over a 70 lap GP
I just remember him often climbing out of the car on the point of collapse, especially in the hot climates, whereas Senna and Prost seemed to have hardly broken sweat. Don't get me wrong I really respect the guy and he was one of my heros when I was younger. He could beat most, but for me lacked the physical fitness to ranked alongside the greats like Senna, Clark, Fangio, Prost, Moss et al.
>> Edited by gshughes on Monday 14th November 18:47
racefan_uk said:
Over a single lap Mansell, over a GP Schumacher. Similar to Mansell v Senna really - those were the days !
I thought Senna was the fastest over a singlelap? Isn't that why he holds the record for the most pole positions in F1?
Maybe the most in total, but taken as a percentage of poles against GP's, which is a far better indication IMHO, Senna ranks only 4th behind Fangio, Clark and Ascari.
Mansell doesn't even come close in this respect, or though he's just better than Prost.
aeropilot said:
Maybe the most in total, but taken as a percentage of poles against GP's, which is a far better indication IMHO, Senna ranks only 4th behind Fangio, Clark and Ascari.
There's no right or wrong answer is there - Fangio is renowned for being lucky or well informed in his choice of racing car. Senna is known as a one lap specialist and Clark benefitted from the DFV and Chapmans' engineering skills...plus he died early in his career.
rubystone said:
Maybe the most in total, but taken as a percentage of poles against GP's, which is a far better indication IMHO, Senna ranks only 4th behind Fangio, Clark and Ascari.
There's no right or wrong answer is there - Fangio is renowned for being lucky or well informed in his choice of racing car. Senna is known as a one lap specialist and Clark benefitted from the DFV and Chapmans' engineering skills...plus he died early in his career.
Point of order, m'lud:
Clark never won a championship with a DFV: races, yes but Hulme won in 67, (the first race with the DFV) and Clark was killed in 68. His tema mate won in 68 with the DFV.
And Clark was champion 3 times. He didnt die early in his career.
Fangio is renowned for thoswe skills above, yes. But also for being very quick- in the same car, Moss could'nt beat him very often, and Moss was 20+ years younger
Will
Denny Hulme was F1 World Champion un 1967 driving a Brabham - which was powered by the Repco V8 (not the Ford DFV). Lotus had exclusive use of the DFV for 1967 although it was made available (with Chapman's permission)to anyone who had a few thousand pounds from 1968 onwards.
Clark was World Champion TWICE, in 1963 and 1965. His Lotus cars were powered by the 1.5 litre Coventy Climax engine. He very nearly won the championship in 1962 but a mechanical problem forced him out near the end of the last GP of the season, the South African GP at East London. Graham Hill became champion that year for BRM.
Clark was World Champion TWICE, in 1963 and 1965. His Lotus cars were powered by the 1.5 litre Coventy Climax engine. He very nearly won the championship in 1962 but a mechanical problem forced him out near the end of the last GP of the season, the South African GP at East London. Graham Hill became champion that year for BRM.
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