Ball park figure please...
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.... Hopefully you chaps can give me a few ideas / a bit of guidance.
I had a plan you see - My '96 993 C4 is a bit long in the tooth, and I was looking to flog it and replace it with either a 993 Turbo or at a push a Mk.1 GT3, however, those plans have had to be unceremoniously scrapped due to the fact that I've just had to wind up my business - Think EU subsidies going to Eastern Block countries, and ending up in the coffers of companies who can simply undercut what my company used to do
Anyway - You don't want to hear my moaning, therefore....
I started to think positive....
My 993 has 116,000 miles on the clock and is sound, except for the usual tatty bodywork (stone chips, less-then-perfect paintwork). It's never had any major engine/gearbox work done, but still (touch wood) runs like a swiss watch. The interior trim/carpets are a bit iffy, and I suspect that the suspension could do with some work (it's not on the original shocks, but they're bog standard and a little uninspiring).
Now I love this car, and I figured that if I could find a sum of money within the next year or so to have it fettled then that's what I'll do - I'll keep her. After all she's a classic and a great drive.
So, what should be on my shopping list so that I effectively end up with a 'good as new-ish' car? - Let's say engine rebuild (would I need top and bottom done?), some PSS 9 suspension, maybe new wheels (or get the 17" cup II's refurbed) - re-trim (carpets and seats).
Anything else?
Can someone make some suggestions and/or give me a ball-park figure to work with? - Alternatively, If I could afford say 8 to 10 grand to throw at it, what should I look to get done?
Much appreciated!
Chris
>> Edited by welshchris on Wednesday 14th December 23:32
>> Edited by welshchris on Wednesday 14th December 23:41
I had a plan you see - My '96 993 C4 is a bit long in the tooth, and I was looking to flog it and replace it with either a 993 Turbo or at a push a Mk.1 GT3, however, those plans have had to be unceremoniously scrapped due to the fact that I've just had to wind up my business - Think EU subsidies going to Eastern Block countries, and ending up in the coffers of companies who can simply undercut what my company used to do
Anyway - You don't want to hear my moaning, therefore....
I started to think positive....
My 993 has 116,000 miles on the clock and is sound, except for the usual tatty bodywork (stone chips, less-then-perfect paintwork). It's never had any major engine/gearbox work done, but still (touch wood) runs like a swiss watch. The interior trim/carpets are a bit iffy, and I suspect that the suspension could do with some work (it's not on the original shocks, but they're bog standard and a little uninspiring).
Now I love this car, and I figured that if I could find a sum of money within the next year or so to have it fettled then that's what I'll do - I'll keep her. After all she's a classic and a great drive.
So, what should be on my shopping list so that I effectively end up with a 'good as new-ish' car? - Let's say engine rebuild (would I need top and bottom done?), some PSS 9 suspension, maybe new wheels (or get the 17" cup II's refurbed) - re-trim (carpets and seats).
Anything else?
Can someone make some suggestions and/or give me a ball-park figure to work with? - Alternatively, If I could afford say 8 to 10 grand to throw at it, what should I look to get done?
Much appreciated!
Chris
>> Edited by welshchris on Wednesday 14th December 23:32
>> Edited by welshchris on Wednesday 14th December 23:41
Just done a similar job on a 98,000 mile 993 for exactly the same reasoning. The customer had a desire to build a Porsche Q car, so we just did the engine for now with plans to fit a handling kit and brakes later, keeping the 17" wheels for everyday ride quality. The engine received rings, 9m heads, 9m cams, 100 cell cats, ported varioram & a live remap. Would the result of 350bhp @ 6500 & 410Nm corrected be enough to grab your attention? Unfortunately this would gobble up all of your (current) budget in one hit, but at least you would have more power than a 997. 
IMHO leave the engine alone - if you must tinker with the engine then get it dynoed and only if it is down on power then you have reason to mess with it. Suspension work, re-bushing, shocks, interior trim, paint all yes - but the engine. If it's not broken then don't fix it, but it sounds like you want to go faster so put your money in a supercharger :
www.turboperformance.com/Porsche/SCKits/993SC/993
your 993 C4 will love it and upgrade your brakes !
>> Edited by cyrus1971 on Thursday 15th December 09:15
www.turboperformance.com/Porsche/SCKits/993SC/993
your 993 C4 will love it and upgrade your brakes !
>> Edited by cyrus1971 on Thursday 15th December 09:15
verysideways said:
£8k to £10k?
Engine rebuild, Bilstein HD's with M030 springs, 993RS 18" wheels, and a strut brace, and HID headlights, and RSR's, and a motorsound airbox.
Hello VS - The car already has HID's, motorsound and RSR's, so I'm OK in the 'sound and vision' department
My priorities would be engine, suspension, paintwork, wheels - probably in that order.
Chris
ninemeister said:
Just done a similar job on a 98,000 mile 993 for exactly the same reasoning. The customer had a desire to build a Porsche Q car, so we just did the engine for now with plans to fit a handling kit and brakes later, keeping the 17" wheels for everyday ride quality. The engine received rings, 9m heads, 9m cams, 100 cell cats, ported varioram & a live remap. Would the result of 350bhp @ 6500 & 410Nm corrected be enough to grab your attention? Unfortunately this would gobble up all of your (current) budget in one hit, but at least you would have more power than a 997.
Thanks for responding Colin.
All sounds good, but the 'gobble up all your budget' but put me off. To be honest, once I'd had this work done the car would become more of a 'cherished classic' than a vehicle for more power (please don't tempt me though - The figures are rather attention-grabbing!
) I just figured that if I got all the right work done, I could end up with effectively a 'good as new' 993 for the price of a Ford Focus or less. At the moment it's an everyday car, but if I acquired something a little more mundane for the day to day stuff the 993 could live in the garage and become a 'toy', stick it on a limited mileage policy and job's a good'un - My Porsche future is ensured
Chris
>> Edited by welshchris on Thursday 15th December 09:21
>> Edited by welshchris on Thursday 15th December 09:22
Similar thought process to me, actually.
I would start slow on the engine front front (no pun intended) ... say start with a live re-map from 9m, which, IIRC, Colin estimated at £5-600 and offers about 10% improvement. Can't beat that for value for money I feel. Hardly going to break the bank, and if its not enough you can come back for heads, cams, etc. ...
Suspension surely can't come to more than £2-4K including lowering (if required).
I'm also considering adding a LSD (as I don't have one) - say another £1K. So in total maybe 5.5K spent leaving a few K in reserve, or to go on repainting the bodywork?
Dan
I would start slow on the engine front front (no pun intended) ... say start with a live re-map from 9m, which, IIRC, Colin estimated at £5-600 and offers about 10% improvement. Can't beat that for value for money I feel
. Hardly going to break the bank, and if its not enough you can come back for heads, cams, etc. ... Suspension surely can't come to more than £2-4K including lowering (if required).
I'm also considering adding a LSD (as I don't have one) - say another £1K. So in total maybe 5.5K spent leaving a few K in reserve, or to go on repainting the bodywork?
Dan
Keep her original..she's so so pretty...
As said, have the engine compression etc checked and have it dyno'd-if its good then leave it. If not then seek out someone like ninemesiter for a gentle fettle
Do stuff like injectors checked and cleaned, clutch etc to
Get the bodywork sorted (max £2k)
Get the leather reconnolised (£200)
Get a full suspension, shocks, bushes and alignmment (£1200)-go with orginal-from my experience it is beautfully compliant
As said, have the engine compression etc checked and have it dyno'd-if its good then leave it. If not then seek out someone like ninemesiter for a gentle fettle
Do stuff like injectors checked and cleaned, clutch etc to
Get the bodywork sorted (max £2k)
Get the leather reconnolised (£200)
Get a full suspension, shocks, bushes and alignmment (£1200)-go with orginal-from my experience it is beautfully compliant
cyrus1971 said:
IMHO leave the engine alone - if you must tinker with the engine then get it dynoed and only if it is down on power then you have reason to mess with it.
Leaving the engine alone as far as rebuilding is concerned is a big temptation, but if I had it rebuilt at say 130k miles, would that effectively be 'preventative medicine' that might alleviate problems in the future, or is it sensible to wait until something starts malfuinctioning before rebuilding?
I've read many times that 993 engines benefit from a rebuild at this sort of mileage, but I wouldn't be too keen on spending the dosh if it's not neccessary.
Chris
kamal996 said:
Keep her original..she's so so pretty...
As said, have the engine compression etc checked and have it dyno'd-if its good then leave it. If not then seek out someone like ninemesiter for a gentle fettle
Do stuff like injectors checked and cleaned, clutch etc to
Get the bodywork sorted (max £2k)
Get the leather reconnolised (£200)
Get a full suspension, shocks, bushes and alignmment (£1200)-go with orginal-from my experience it is beautfully compliant
Some good advice there
It's beautiful. Get it back up to standard, then enjoy.. The engine is probably absolutely fine. Get a compression test or rolling road it to confirm.
I priced up front end resprays a couple of months ago just before I bought my 993 Targa. A proper front end job (bumpers off, trim off, screen out (good time to replace it if necessary), including wing mirrors) came out at £1300 (specialist) to £1700 (OPC). I was told the car would be off the road for 10 days during which time I'd have a courtesy car.
I know a guy in Sheffield who has done a few paint jobs for me. His workshop doesn't look much but his work is first rate. Even did a little job on a courtesy car which I reversed into a wall at work.
£50 cash no questions asked. I had the courtesy car when my wife decided to reverse her car along a gate post ripping of trim and the mirror in the process.
£50 cash no questions asked. I had the courtesy car when my wife decided to reverse her car along a gate post ripping of trim and the mirror in the process.
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