Cayman sales slow, now available at discount
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New to this excellent forum. I had a deposit on a Cayman and recently pulled out for family reasons. I have of course been quite keen on following the 'market.' I was always dubious of the "offers over list" adverts, so shouldn't have been surprised when I was offered a couple of opportunities to jump the queue. Strangely I haven't seen one on the road yet despite driving in and out of London on a daily basis.... Now I see they are available at a discount! See: www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/index.htm?news_id=2889
Good look with your of list!
Car has been blighted by fool speculators for months now ....like rats ...they blight our industry. I've just taken delivery of a 51k S....the cars fantastic, 6 month wait for most people if ordering today....but like anything there is always a car out there if you look hard enough, ....whats wrong with you people though????...its a 2 seater 45k + vehicle ...how many do you expect to see?
Car has been blighted by fool speculators for months now ....like rats ...they blight our industry. I've just taken delivery of a 51k S....the cars fantastic, 6 month wait for most people if ordering today....but like anything there is always a car out there if you look hard enough, ....whats wrong with you people though????...its a 2 seater 45k + vehicle ...how many do you expect to see?
I had a deposit down just in case it was a good cheaper alternative to a 997S. I decided against it in the end mainly down to its looks and the lack of a Sports Chassis (-20mm and lsd). In the last few weeks I have been offered two at OPC's and both with a discount off list and unregistered.
A Cayman is not a safe place to leave your money if they are at a discount already.
A Cayman is not a safe place to leave your money if they are at a discount already.
my friend has one, and took it to a track day two weekends ago (only had 600 miles on the clock!!!)
Have to say I was very very impressed. The track handling was sublime, and the corner speeds very high.
He wasnt caning it completely (never took it over 5000 revs) but he was managing to keep up with some quick cars (though there were quite a few novices that day).
I was also impressed with the looks. As has been said many times....it does look alot better in the metal.
Have to say I was very very impressed. The track handling was sublime, and the corner speeds very high.
He wasnt caning it completely (never took it over 5000 revs) but he was managing to keep up with some quick cars (though there were quite a few novices that day).
I was also impressed with the looks. As has been said many times....it does look alot better in the metal.
I took delivery of mine last Saturday. I ordered one because I wanted one, not to make a fast speculative buck. I certainly agree it is a fantastic drive, although I've not taken it on a track. My OPC are saying September delivery for an order placed now. They have 2 in stock, unregistered available for immediate delivery, apparently at list price. Whether a discount would be forthcoming if cash was waved, who knows? But, as an overall ownership proposition I think the Cayman will probably have the best residuals in it's class.
"Whether a discount would be forthcoming if cash was waved, who knows? "
Often the opposite - they want people to buy on finance. I once bought a car on finance with nominal deposit in order to get an additional £1K off the price. I settled the finance as soon as the paperwork came through - the interest in the interim was less than £50... Easy to do if you check they don't frontload the interest which may even be illegal these days?
Often the opposite - they want people to buy on finance. I once bought a car on finance with nominal deposit in order to get an additional £1K off the price. I settled the finance as soon as the paperwork came through - the interest in the interim was less than £50... Easy to do if you check they don't frontload the interest which may even be illegal these days?
Sorry to piss on the bonfire but if you read the ad on "Honest John" properly I don`t think you`re getting a discount on a new car. "300 miles" & "UK dealer supplied" do rather look like, "second hand car for sale" to me. If that is the case then £850 off for second handidness seems jolly good news to all the Gayman owners currently out there.
Seen a few on the road, in fact only to day followed one on the M25 and a delightful car it is too. Who cares about relative pricing and boring stuff like that. If you want one buy one. As for slow sales who are you trying kid, the main dealers will be booking their Carribean cruises as we speak. This thing is going to go ballistic.
I`m sure there are a lot of cars that have been ordered by peasant scum who can`t actually afford one and who are/were hoping to speculate and make a few quid but that seems the norm these days, the sooner the dealers find a way of selling to proper owners the better. what about a rebate to 1st owners who still have the car after say 1 year ?
Still very worried about the name though. Otherwise as sound as a pound
Henry
Seen a few on the road, in fact only to day followed one on the M25 and a delightful car it is too. Who cares about relative pricing and boring stuff like that. If you want one buy one. As for slow sales who are you trying kid, the main dealers will be booking their Carribean cruises as we speak. This thing is going to go ballistic.
I`m sure there are a lot of cars that have been ordered by peasant scum who can`t actually afford one and who are/were hoping to speculate and make a few quid but that seems the norm these days, the sooner the dealers find a way of selling to proper owners the better. what about a rebate to 1st owners who still have the car after say 1 year ?
Still very worried about the name though. Otherwise as sound as a pound
Henry
supermono said:
"the sooner the dealers find a way of selling to proper owners the better"
Isn't that's a bit rich? What's wrong with someone buying a car cheap and selling it dear? You've probably even done it yourself...
SM
Never. I`m a used car dealer. New cars are more expensive than second hand cars. The most you pay for a car is the list price at the main dealers. Those are the rules.
At the moment a genuine owner who wants a car to drive and enjoy has to wade through treacle to get hold of one. Also it doesn`t help all you lot who were moaning about the lack of service offered by the dealers, (because they have their hands full of speculators).
The one thing that all these vermin do like are the freebies that go with the purchasing experience. They go on the days out, the dealer visits, they eat the biscuits, get on the mailing lists, get tickets to events etc, etc. And the strange thing is the "real" buyers just turn up and buy a car. They don`t get offered the freebies, Porsche seems too keen chasing these "new" customers who unfortunately then go off and take their blood money and do a runner chasing the next new model to be launched by some other manufacturer.
Ultimately it puts a lot of people off buying cars. You don`t know what`s round the corner. Life`s too short to order up a car 18 months in advance. You want to go into a dealer then 2 or 3 months later it rocks up. Also Porsche lose control of how their product is sold, the buyer of a new car from a speculator loses out on all the "customer service" and freebies (which the speculator enjoyed for themselves) and so the buyer doesn`t feel any brand loyalty. You do your brains buying a new car but at least if you remember a few freebies that came with the buying experience it helps sugar the pill. Buying a new car should be a great experience, it shouldn`t be a frantic charge around the country looking to see who`s asking the least premium.
Hey-ho.
Henry
>> Edited by henry-f on Monday 30th January 12:08
Slightly off topic, but I saw my first Cayman yesterday and REALLY like it. Wasn't sure from photographs but it does look good in the metal, in my opinion at least. Henry's point about waiting 18 months for a new car to arrive and the colossal depreciation is exactly why I always buy used (that, and the lack of funds to buy a new 911/Cayman/whatever!). Life is indeed far too short. Out of interest, has anyone on PH reading this bought a Cayman above list? If so, why?
JOC said:
I was always dubious of the "offers over list" adverts, so shouldn't have been surprised when I was offered a couple of opportunities to jump the queue. Strangely I haven't seen one on the road yet despite driving in and out of London on a daily basis.... Now I see they are available at a discount! See: www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/index.htm?news_id=2889
Don't think so, that doesn't sound like an unused car to me. Thats been used.. and only used for 300 miles? Hmm, thrashed heavily perhaps?!
Also one should bear in mind it nothing more than an expensive toy, not an investment opportunity. Anyone who thinks it is is a fool. If I bought one I would be considering how long I am likely to own it, and then see if I could afford it. For example, buy for £50k, keep for 3 years & sell for £30k. If I can stomach £20k for 3 years use, then great. How it quickly or slowly it gets down to that figure is irrelevant as long as I keep it for that long. Maybe the price won't budge for first 6 months, maybe it will plummet in first 6 months, but it doesn't matter.
Hey-ho. I think it'll be a big hit and Porsche have done enough research to know that there is quite a market in that space.
PS. also not seen one on the roads yet!
I dont think and never have thought that this car was going to be the big seller porsche is expecting.With the brand being watered down so much of late porsches in general are'nt that special anymore.Even though i'm no fan of bmws z4 coupe at 38k for the m power version,i'd rather save the extra cash and opt for that if i were in the market for a coupe.
Since selling my 996 all my other mates have sold theres complaining about the same old things,poor service from opc,cars that spend more time in the garage than on the road,and poor build quality in general and heavy depreciation.
To give just one example my mates just sold his 04 plate turbo,it cost him 109k,constantly back to opc and the best price he could get was 67k
I recently bought audi tt on a 54 plate from the auctions as my daily nail.I just cant believe how much better build this car is compared to my 996.
My eyes have been opened for the first time in years that its possible to have as much fun,less problems for a lot less.
For the time being i'm going to really have to have hard think about buying back in to the porsche brand again.
Since selling my 996 all my other mates have sold theres complaining about the same old things,poor service from opc,cars that spend more time in the garage than on the road,and poor build quality in general and heavy depreciation.
To give just one example my mates just sold his 04 plate turbo,it cost him 109k,constantly back to opc and the best price he could get was 67k
I recently bought audi tt on a 54 plate from the auctions as my daily nail.I just cant believe how much better build this car is compared to my 996.
My eyes have been opened for the first time in years that its possible to have as much fun,less problems for a lot less.
For the time being i'm going to really have to have hard think about buying back in to the porsche brand again.
Not at all,not even in the same league,i'm just saying that a car that cost 20k new should'nt be build better than one that cost 60.
Also you dont need to drive a porsche in order to have a bit of fun,maybe thats why the old 964/993 crew on this forum are always banging on about the fun factor.
If the old 911s were'nt so much of an aquired taste,i'd have one at least you dont loose buckets of doe when its time to sell and they are built properly.
Also you dont need to drive a porsche in order to have a bit of fun,maybe thats why the old 964/993 crew on this forum are always banging on about the fun factor.
If the old 911s were'nt so much of an aquired taste,i'd have one at least you dont loose buckets of doe when its time to sell and they are built properly.
Ah ok, was think I had missed out when I drove the TT. I looked at a 996 before I bought my 993 and I felt I got more car for the money out of my 993. If I had found a 996 I liked I would have had one of those. Even with the mass production of the 996 I don’t see it as being anything other than a thoroughbred. It's the tractor with the 911 engine that has devalued the marque, IMO the Cayman looks, sounds and from what I have read drives like a Porsche. The same cannot be said for the tractor, it was a mistake, I am always amazed that so many people keep forking out hard earned cash for them. The VW Touareg looks far better value.
I test drove the Cayman this weekend at West London. It was a really fun car to drive, giving you the confidence to push on as it's very well balanced.
I really enjoyed it - the only (mental) stumbling block for me was the cost - once specced you are going to be very close to £50k and there are plenty of 996 GT3's even a few Turbo's at that money now (I realise the running costs on these cars will be significantly higher!).
As for buying a Cayman, I was told that I could spec one and wait about 3 or 4 months or there was a small chance of getting a stock one in the next couple of weeks, obviously dependant on them having one in my spec etc etc
I really enjoyed it - the only (mental) stumbling block for me was the cost - once specced you are going to be very close to £50k and there are plenty of 996 GT3's even a few Turbo's at that money now (I realise the running costs on these cars will be significantly higher!).
As for buying a Cayman, I was told that I could spec one and wait about 3 or 4 months or there was a small chance of getting a stock one in the next couple of weeks, obviously dependant on them having one in my spec etc etc
henry-f said:
The one thing that all these vermin do like are the freebies that go with the purchasing experience. They go on the days out, the dealer visits, they eat the biscuits, get on the mailing lists, get tickets to events etc, etc. And the strange thing is the "real" buyers just turn up and buy a car. They don`t get offered the freebies, Porsche seems too keen chasing these "new" customers who unfortunately then go off and take their blood money and do a runner chasing the next new model to be launched by some other manufacturer.
Spot on Henry. I was invited to a Porsche freebie (at Millbrook) back in 1994 when I bought a 968 Sport, 12 years later and after buying 8 new cars in the meantime I have 'finally' been invited to another one (for the Cayman). So as a non-speculator and genuine Porsche customer, that's a total of 2 events in 12 years. I've never been invited to a launch party, nor been given any free tickets to a motorsport event. I often wonder where the hell Porsche's marketing budget is being spent if a 'known' customer is so easily forgotten..
p.s. OK, I lied, they did send me a Christmas card and a copu of Christophorus.
I tend to agree,i've driven all three models of the ugly one,all just as ugly to drive.
I've had a 987s i did'nt like it much a bit bland for me so i cant really see me going for the cayman in its current guise,that said if they ever have the balls to do an rs version,i could live with the bland front end of the car.
I think the 997s is still on my list of cars,just dont fancy the chew on with the after sales side again.
I've had a 987s i did'nt like it much a bit bland for me so i cant really see me going for the cayman in its current guise,that said if they ever have the balls to do an rs version,i could live with the bland front end of the car.
I think the 997s is still on my list of cars,just dont fancy the chew on with the after sales side again.
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