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This topic has been pretty much done to death in the past, but here's my 2p on why 328 values are more solid:
The 328 is now considered a 'classic'. The shape is adored by many, especially of a slightly older generation (who often have more money to spend..). I prefer the late 80's design of the 348/512TR personally to the 70's Magnum stuff. 328 is cheaper to maintain.
The 348 was a big change for Ferrari from the earlier car. Everything was different and there were plenty of issues initially that caused cars to go back and forth to the dealers for mods. This soured the reputation, even though most got sorted in the form of production updates over the next year or two.
If you want a proper longitudinal mid-engined modern exotic, one that really wows the crowds and that can more than keep up with modern traffic I don't think you could do much better than a late sorted 348. Especially at current prices.
I have had mine 18 months and had 3 problems. Clock resetting to 0:00 (dry joint on PCB), wire to central locking switch broke off door connector (re-soldered) and a seeping cam cover gasket (2 drips of oil a week, but still needed doing).
The 328 is now considered a 'classic'. The shape is adored by many, especially of a slightly older generation (who often have more money to spend..). I prefer the late 80's design of the 348/512TR personally to the 70's Magnum stuff. 328 is cheaper to maintain.
The 348 was a big change for Ferrari from the earlier car. Everything was different and there were plenty of issues initially that caused cars to go back and forth to the dealers for mods. This soured the reputation, even though most got sorted in the form of production updates over the next year or two.
If you want a proper longitudinal mid-engined modern exotic, one that really wows the crowds and that can more than keep up with modern traffic I don't think you could do much better than a late sorted 348. Especially at current prices.
I have had mine 18 months and had 3 problems. Clock resetting to 0:00 (dry joint on PCB), wire to central locking switch broke off door connector (re-soldered) and a seeping cam cover gasket (2 drips of oil a week, but still needed doing).
When I was looking for a Ferrari, and initially very unsure of what one I wanted, every dealer said I should go for the pre 348 cars if I wanted a "classic", as they are cheaper to maintain.
The primary reason for buying the 348 in my case was its looks. The Testarossa look is right up there with the very best ever looking Ferraris IMHO. I didn't go for a Testarossa/512 only because I found the car too big and heavy for what I wanted i.e. a nimble, well handling car - not a grand tourer.
I'd have bought a 355 if it didn't have power steering, and even more importantly, if it had retained the Testarossa look.
The 360/430 are of course FANTASTIC Ferraris, and better in every way to the 348/355, but there are just too many of them on the road for my liking.
That's why *I* bought a F348. In my case, a RHD Spider.....for the looks
The primary reason for buying the 348 in my case was its looks. The Testarossa look is right up there with the very best ever looking Ferraris IMHO. I didn't go for a Testarossa/512 only because I found the car too big and heavy for what I wanted i.e. a nimble, well handling car - not a grand tourer.
I'd have bought a 355 if it didn't have power steering, and even more importantly, if it had retained the Testarossa look.
The 360/430 are of course FANTASTIC Ferraris, and better in every way to the 348/355, but there are just too many of them on the road for my liking.
That's why *I* bought a F348. In my case, a RHD Spider.....for the looks
Thanks for the feeback !
I think for me looks and price are very tempting.
I just wonder how it would keep up with modern day hot hatches and semi sports cars?
What are the differences in the designations? GTB GTS TS etc etc etc ???
which ones have the 320bhp?
Running costs? Fuel consumption ? Servicing and parts ?
Thanks
IceBoy
I think for me looks and price are very tempting.
I just wonder how it would keep up with modern day hot hatches and semi sports cars?
What are the differences in the designations? GTB GTS TS etc etc etc ???
which ones have the 320bhp?
Running costs? Fuel consumption ? Servicing and parts ?
Thanks
IceBoy
Start here www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=266322&f=63&h=0 and follow all the linked threads
In short:
GTB GTS and Spider have 320hp with a slightly higher rev limit. Rest have 300hp. All plenty fast enough for most situations (0-60 5.5secs). It's ability to pull cleanly from low-revs is great - this is a very nice engine.
Range was gradually modded during it's life. eg Change to single plate clutch, 2.7 motronic ECU's, Nipondenso alternator and battery moved to front for improved weight distribution etc.
Everybody advised me to preferably get a GTB, and if not at least a 92'-> 'battery in front' model as they had most of the updates and generally more sorted. Proved good advice so far, although an abused 94' GTB would be a nightmare in comparison to a looked-after 90'tb.
I only looked at B's as I wanted the car to be as stiff and leak-free as possible. Personal choice, as is colour. Red is easiest to sell on.
Reasonably priced labour for servicing can be found but prices for parts can be ridiculous. Clutch kits for early cars are £800, £400 for later models. Valve cover gaskets are £100 a set, fog lamp £400 etc. etc. These are complex cars: dry sump/oil cooler/2 radiators/climate control/2 engine ECU's/hydraulic brake booser/ABS etc. etc.
If you buy with recent (time, not miles) cam-belt+18k service, standard service costs would be about £600 for the first two years, then maybe £2000 on the 3rd year (belts/cam seals maybe etc.). Obvously 'extras' not included (brakes and such like) - maybe bank on £4+k over 3 years depending on miles.
>> Edited by chrisx666 on Wednesday 10th May 12:47
GTB GTS and Spider have 320hp with a slightly higher rev limit. Rest have 300hp. All plenty fast enough for most situations (0-60 5.5secs). It's ability to pull cleanly from low-revs is great - this is a very nice engine.
Range was gradually modded during it's life. eg Change to single plate clutch, 2.7 motronic ECU's, Nipondenso alternator and battery moved to front for improved weight distribution etc.
Everybody advised me to preferably get a GTB, and if not at least a 92'-> 'battery in front' model as they had most of the updates and generally more sorted. Proved good advice so far, although an abused 94' GTB would be a nightmare in comparison to a looked-after 90'tb.
I only looked at B's as I wanted the car to be as stiff and leak-free as possible. Personal choice, as is colour. Red is easiest to sell on.
Reasonably priced labour for servicing can be found but prices for parts can be ridiculous. Clutch kits for early cars are £800, £400 for later models. Valve cover gaskets are £100 a set, fog lamp £400 etc. etc. These are complex cars: dry sump/oil cooler/2 radiators/climate control/2 engine ECU's/hydraulic brake booser/ABS etc. etc.
If you buy with recent (time, not miles) cam-belt+18k service, standard service costs would be about £600 for the first two years, then maybe £2000 on the 3rd year (belts/cam seals maybe etc.). Obvously 'extras' not included (brakes and such like) - maybe bank on £4+k over 3 years depending on miles.
>> Edited by chrisx666 on Wednesday 10th May 12:47
garyhun said:
Start here www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=266322&f=63&h=0 and follow all the linked threads
That's the one
and also answers your query about performance to some extent. See my post about the 348 v Cerbera.348's do look like a tempting bargin at the moment. I've always wanted a ferrari and will get there soon. I think the servicing costs would always put me off the 12 cylinder cars so a 328, 348 or 355 would be the most likely choice. I've often heard that the 348 is a little tricky in the handeling department but I like most others would probibly not drive it to the limit anyway.
steve w said:
FYI GTB / GTS / Spyder are the later uprated 320bhp versions. Most likely to find a GTS, then spyder, then GTB (not many GTB's in RHD at all)...
GTB = 14 RHD
GTS = 15 RHD
Spider = 68 RHD
You forgot to mention only 2 black GTB's.
m3pilot said:
I've often heard that the 348 is a little tricky in the handeling department but I like most others would probibly not drive it to the limit anyway.
On a recent airfiled day, the 355's were losing control a lot quicker than the 348's. As long as you remember to warm up the tyres, you should'nt have any problem.
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