I just need to vent something
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Hot air.
Not unusual in my case as I'm sure you'll agree
Have a look at the latest Can-Am mod. It's taken me months to figure out the best way of removing the hot air from under the rear canopy hump in a way that looks good and doesn't roast the occupants, but I think I got there in the end
Taking an angle grinder to pristine paintwork is not good for your stress levels I can tell you!
Mark out the area to operate on:
Attack with angle grinder and remove offending sections to reveal air filter:
Fit nice shiny stainless louvered vents:
Ensure alignment with dash details :
Check that vents do the job as well as they look:
Ensure heat blast goes away from occupants! :
I like the 'HotWheels' look of these vents which I think are in keeping with the Can-Am (and the Can-Am racers of old).
Takes me back to my childhood re-painting toy cars
Not unusual in my case as I'm sure you'll agree
Have a look at the latest Can-Am mod. It's taken me months to figure out the best way of removing the hot air from under the rear canopy hump in a way that looks good and doesn't roast the occupants, but I think I got there in the end
Taking an angle grinder to pristine paintwork is not good for your stress levels I can tell you!
Mark out the area to operate on:
Attack with angle grinder and remove offending sections to reveal air filter:
Fit nice shiny stainless louvered vents:
Ensure alignment with dash details
: Check that vents do the job as well as they look:
Ensure heat blast goes away from occupants! :
I like the 'HotWheels' look of these vents which I think are in keeping with the Can-Am (and the Can-Am racers of old).
Takes me back to my childhood re-painting toy cars
Edited by stig on Friday 21st July 13:53
Very nicely done, and looks like a pro-job
But what wonders me, sure it will be great for getting hot air away from the high places where hot air goes too, but by making a vacuum on that place it also sucks air away from the inlet? specialy under high speeds(can-am speeds)
But hope its a good compremise...but sitting on top of that filter??? better buy the special carbon closed intake system me thinks then its oke!
http://reverie.ltd.uk/shop/products.p
GTRene
But what wonders me, sure it will be great for getting hot air away from the high places where hot air goes too, but by making a vacuum on that place it also sucks air away from the inlet? specialy under high speeds(can-am speeds)
But hope its a good compremise...but sitting on top of that filter??? better buy the special carbon closed intake system me thinks then its oke!
http://reverie.ltd.uk/shop/products.p
GTRene
GTRene said:
Very nicely done, and looks like a pro-job
But what wonders me, sure it will be great for getting hot air away from the high places where hot air goes too, but by making a vacuum on that place it also sucks air away from the inlet? specialy under high speeds(can-am speeds)
But hope its a good compremise...but sitting on top of that filter??? better buy the special carbon closed intake system me thinks then its oke!
GTRene
But what wonders me, sure it will be great for getting hot air away from the high places where hot air goes too, but by making a vacuum on that place it also sucks air away from the inlet? specialy under high speeds(can-am speeds)
But hope its a good compremise...but sitting on top of that filter??? better buy the special carbon closed intake system me thinks then its oke!
GTRene
Ah, but Rene, if it's creating a vacuum, the air has to come from somewhere and in my case, it's either rammed in the sides via the side scoops or drawn up from beneath the car - so it'll be nice and cool.
I've not seen the Can-Am in a wind tunnel, but I'd expect that you get quite a vortex in that area because of the tall windscreen.
Either way, it's gotta be better than the carb sucking in air that's about 100degs!!!!
stig said:
I've not seen the Can-Am in a wind tunnel, but I'd expect that you get quite a vortex in that area because of the tall windscreen.
Either way, it's gotta be better than the carb sucking in air that's about 100degs!!!!
Yep, its getting colder air in so it maybe gets even... or a bit better, when it can suck less air in cose of the negative vacuum by your new vents...it can get cooler air in the cillinders and cooler air is more compressed so in the end the engine will be fine, but me thinks that carbon closed filter would be the better option combined with your cooling the engine bay? but then that system cost more then 800gbp...but your engine will run much smoother and have more hp, and its a bit queiter in the cabine cause it will have less noise and less spitting fuel back and fuelsmellings!...tell us what you think it does after lets say another 1000mls orso?
GTRene
Edited by GTRene on Friday 21st July 14:11
Stig
I have looked at recirculation of air from the back clip on my Canam. I have some video I did showing the forward airflow using the wool tassle method.
What I saw suggests that your rear facing vent method may not work sucessfully. But then again I was not brave enough to cut the vents. I really wish you the best and lets hear about it soon.
BTW I would have gone for black vents rather than the bling
Phil
I have looked at recirculation of air from the back clip on my Canam. I have some video I did showing the forward airflow using the wool tassle method.
What I saw suggests that your rear facing vent method may not work sucessfully. But then again I was not brave enough to cut the vents. I really wish you the best and lets hear about it soon.
BTW I would have gone for black vents rather than the bling
Phil
Phil - bear in mind that the vents aren't supposed to do anything on the move (but if they do it's a bonus), they're just there to evacuate hot air when stationary.
I almost had them made up in carbon fibre, but I preferred the stainless in the end.
PS. The vents are reversible too.
I almost had them made up in carbon fibre, but I preferred the stainless in the end.
PS. The vents are reversible too.
Edited by stig on Friday 21st July 14:49
stig said:
Phil - bear in mind that the vents aren't supposed to do anything on the move (but if they do it's a bonus), they're just there to evacuate hot air when stationary.
I almost had them made up in carbon fibre, but I preferred the stainless in the end.
PS. The vents are reversible too.
I almost had them made up in carbon fibre, but I preferred the stainless in the end.
PS. The vents are reversible too.
Edited by stig on Friday 21st July 14:49
Noted, but I find that the recirculation behind the full screen is more of a problem on the move at certain speeds than the stationary heat soaking. I cant quite tell but do you have the rear clip forward vent blocked or just the grill?
Cool! canam-phil said:
stig said:
Phil - bear in mind that the vents aren't supposed to do anything on the move (but if they do it's a bonus), they're just there to evacuate hot air when stationary.
I almost had them made up in carbon fibre, but I preferred the stainless in the end.
PS. The vents are reversible too.
I almost had them made up in carbon fibre, but I preferred the stainless in the end.
PS. The vents are reversible too.
Edited by stig on Friday 21st July 14:49
Noted, but I find that the recirculation behind the full screen is more of a problem on the move at certain speeds than the stationary heat soaking. I cant quite tell but do you have the rear clip forward vent blocked or just the grill?
Ah, I see what you mean. The scoop vent was blocked by the factory. I don't have the problem of a hot cabin as my modified aircon setup (with dash vents) works a treat. Have you got helicopter vents in the side screens? They can help move air out of the cabin too. The purpose of these vents was solely to evacuate hot air from around the air filter and help bring the engine bay temps down. Haven't had any issues with a hot cabin (other than the bl00dy strong sun we're getting at the mo!)
DHGTR said:
i really like that mod chris. looks good in chrome finish, think i would have gone black anodised though.
good job, love to see tasteful individuality.
cheers
dave.
p.s. thanks for water valve reply.
good job, love to see tasteful individuality.
cheers
dave.
p.s. thanks for water valve reply.
Well, it's another 'first' as far as I'm aware.
Obviously a trend for black on this forum (stop it, you'll set Wayne off
). The polished stainless (they're not chromed) works better with the pylons for the wing I reckon. Anything anodised tends to scratch very easily too. The alternative would be to powder coat them I suppose? Anyway, if you're up at the factory open day I'm sure I can convert you
Edited by stig on Friday 21st July 16:48
crazy of cookham said:
Chris will be interested in how you get on with backwash of heat. Also blocked vent and find when you stop you still get a heat wash comes back into cabin. Its a bit like the wake you get over the stern of a boat if you stop too quick. I have to say the alternative of keeping the heat under the canopy dosn't make sence either. Do you think the vents as you have them will creat some form of suction on the move a little like an aircraft wing. Also you have side sopes so on the move there must be some form of increased forced airflow through the engine bay. How about set of wheel arch vents on front to cool brakes like the Le Mans cars.
You will have a very individual car. Please let me know if you are going to factory day I would not want to miss the look on Teds face for all the world.
You will have a very individual car. Please let me know if you are going to factory day I would not want to miss the look on Teds face for all the world.
As I said, the purpose of the vents is to evacuate hot air when stationary in place of the scoop (which, as you know, is blocked to stop heat wash). However, when on the move, it's not unreasonable to assume that they could help air into the filter as the engine bay will be a low pressure area compared to the air outside. This is the principle that the factory use for the standard side grills.
I haven't experienced the backwash when stopping, then again, I'd got aircon to help in that regard
Regarding the wing vents to relieve pressure under the wheel arches, actually I have a set of carbon fibre ones ready to go on the car. However, I decided that I wouldn't get any benefit from them for road use. Believe it or not, I don't just bolt bits on like I've crashed into Halfords! It needs to have a positive benefit for the car before I'll consider fitting it and even when it does go on, it must be a high quality item.
Finally, yes. I'll be there at the factory day. As far as Ted's reaction goes - who knows
But he can surprise you. After all, teflon cables weren't a factory option until they'd proved to be beneficial on my GTR.... If I'd have known about these vents when I had the GTR, I'd have probalby fitted them for the same reasons although, I think they'd look weird on a GTR as the canopy hump isn't flat enough.
cortina1 said:
you've got big balls to start cutting into a shiny new clip, looks good though....hope it tests well
lol! Thanks guys.
I must say, I spent about 5 minutes umming and ahhing before finally making the first cut (even then the grinder hovered for quite a while).
Sometimes you've just got to think f*ck it and dive right in
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