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Seeing as most of the population is now considered to be a criminal or atleast a suspect, i think more people than you might expect would be prepared to break laws these days.
I come from a fairly respectable background but i am constantly suprised by my families ever changing attitude to laws, and the people who make and enforce them.
I come from a fairly respectable background but i am constantly suprised by my families ever changing attitude to laws, and the people who make and enforce them.
Hedders said:
Seeing as most of the population is now considered to be a criminal or atleast a suspect, i think more people than you might expect would be prepared to break laws these days.
I come from a fairly respectable background but i am constantly suprised by my families ever changing attitude to laws, and the people who make and enforce them.
Have they taken the number plates off their cars ?I come from a fairly respectable background but i am constantly suprised by my families ever changing attitude to laws, and the people who make and enforce them.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 12th August 11:17
Hedders said:
Seeing as most of the population is now considered to be a criminal or atleast a suspect, i think more people than you might expect would be prepared to break laws these days.
I come from a fairly respectable background but i am constantly suprised by my families ever changing attitude to laws, and the people who make and enforce them.
Who considers them that? I don't. My colleagues I work with don't. I doubt any officer posting here thinks that either. The vocal minority with interests want you to think that and it makes a good media story but I know no police officer who think that anymore than the 120,000 active criminals are criminals. My jobs to protect the other 56 odd million from them with the limited powers and resources I have against a growing ant-police sentiment fuelled by bad tv reporting, bad newspaper reporting and in in my opinion as I said groups who seem to have a vested interest in doing so. Who they are and why they do it I do not know.I come from a fairly respectable background but i am constantly suprised by my families ever changing attitude to laws, and the people who make and enforce them.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Who they are and why they do it I do not know.
They do it to gain support for their own interests. Persuade everyone they are being 'picked' on, and it makes it easier to get support.It's not these groups that surprise me, it's the ones that allow themselves to be taken in.
BFF
Edited by Big Fat F'r on Sunday 12th August 11:52
But whether or not individual officers view the public as potential crims or not , an increasing number of people now do not trust those officers.
Many previously upstanding members of society would now not deal with the police if they could help it. That is because the police are now target orientated and we constantly see the easy targets being aimed at. They all of a sudden have to worry about being targeted because lets face it, everyone is bound to be falling foul of some new by-law or another and if you aren't the law will be changed so that you are.
Thats how it feels to me anyway
Many previously upstanding members of society would now not deal with the police if they could help it. That is because the police are now target orientated and we constantly see the easy targets being aimed at. They all of a sudden have to worry about being targeted because lets face it, everyone is bound to be falling foul of some new by-law or another and if you aren't the law will be changed so that you are.
Thats how it feels to me anyway
Hedders said:
But whether or not individual officers view the public as potential crims or not , an increasing number of people now do not trust those officers.
Many previously upstanding members of society would now not deal with the police if they could help it. That is because the police are now target orientated and we constantly see the easy targets being aimed at. They all of a sudden have to worry about being targeted because lets face it, everyone is bound to be falling foul of some new by-law or another and if you aren't the law will be changed so that you are.
Thats how it feels to me anyway
I don't want to deal with the Police if I can help it, I just want them there doing their job.Many previously upstanding members of society would now not deal with the police if they could help it. That is because the police are now target orientated and we constantly see the easy targets being aimed at. They all of a sudden have to worry about being targeted because lets face it, everyone is bound to be falling foul of some new by-law or another and if you aren't the law will be changed so that you are.
Thats how it feels to me anyway
If I do have to deal with them it will generally mean something has potentially gone wrong for me or someone else. I don't go out looking for Police contact.
Hedders said:
But whether or not individual officers view the public as potential crims or not , an increasing number of people now do not trust those officers.
Many previously upstanding members of society would now not deal with the police if they could help it. That is because the police are now target orientated and we constantly see the easy targets being aimed at. They all of a sudden have to worry about being targeted because lets face it, everyone is bound to be falling foul of some new by-law or another and if you aren't the law will be changed so that you are.
Thats how it feels to me anyway
Well thats how certain interests groups want you to think. Thats how bad story telling makes you think. The police have no interest in dealing with the average person. Unless you make us interested. If you go out drink drive, smash somone on the face drunk, beat your wife or damage the town centre , or handbrake turn your car in the high street then you will come to our attention. Many previously upstanding members of society would now not deal with the police if they could help it. That is because the police are now target orientated and we constantly see the easy targets being aimed at. They all of a sudden have to worry about being targeted because lets face it, everyone is bound to be falling foul of some new by-law or another and if you aren't the law will be changed so that you are.
Thats how it feels to me anyway
Certain interest groups further there own means by creating that impression. All police officers come from society, in general the middle classes / upper working classes if there is such a class structure. We are the silent majority. Why would we target our own? Simply we don't. You cannot make somone guilty of an offence.
We deal with a few main offences. Assaults. damage, harrassment. These are the biggest part of our business day in day out. Unless you smack somone on the face then you won't be getting dealt with. Just in the past maybe as the bloke you hit didn't want anything done you would not have even been spoken with. Now you will be as the crime is recorded. Either way either you smacked him in the face or not..
You may get caught on speed camera or for no road tax but it hardly makes you a criminal. Speeders are not criminals but they have broken the law. We all know its the law and if you break the law sometimes you get caught. Numerous police officers have points on and off duty and some have even been disqualified on and off duty,
Hedders said:
But whether or not individual officers view the public as potential crims or not , an increasing number of people now do not trust those officers.
Many previously upstanding members of society would now not deal with the police if they could help it. That is because the police are now target orientated and we constantly see the easy targets being aimed at. They all of a sudden have to worry about being targeted because lets face it, everyone is bound to be falling foul of some new by-law or another and if you aren't the law will be changed so that you are.
Thats how it feels to me anyway
"an increasing number of people now do not trust those officers."Many previously upstanding members of society would now not deal with the police if they could help it. That is because the police are now target orientated and we constantly see the easy targets being aimed at. They all of a sudden have to worry about being targeted because lets face it, everyone is bound to be falling foul of some new by-law or another and if you aren't the law will be changed so that you are.
Thats how it feels to me anyway
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"previously upstanding members of society would now not deal with the police if they could help it"
Why is that?
Could it be they have been caught doing something that was considered 'against the law'...or is it perhaps a point of view adopted from their peers who HAVE been caught? Or is it perhaps a 'popular culture' kind of attitude that baulks at any kind of restrictions placed upon how the individual would like to behave?
"worry about being targeted"?
If you live within the law, what possible reason could you have for worrying? Only when you step over that line between lawful and unlawful would you have any cause to worry...unless of course you are so paranoid as to believe that every BiB is 'out to get you'...
It has to be more than just some pressure group manging to give everyone a false perception though.
We see it day in and day out. Government employees who's job it is to use electronic equipment to establish if tax payers are above or below certain thresholds for an ever increasing amount of punishable offences.
I am sorry but if someone needs to use gadgetry to establish if i am a law breaker or not then the law is a tad unnecesary. It only takes a few laws that make no sense and all of the rest of them are bought into question.
My retired father was quite suprised when i told him one of the things he had done in the last few years could have seen him in put in prison. My dad is one of the most law abiding people you could ever wish to meet, but even to him the law is now becoming too much of an inconvenience.
We see it day in and day out. Government employees who's job it is to use electronic equipment to establish if tax payers are above or below certain thresholds for an ever increasing amount of punishable offences.
I am sorry but if someone needs to use gadgetry to establish if i am a law breaker or not then the law is a tad unnecesary. It only takes a few laws that make no sense and all of the rest of them are bought into question.
My retired father was quite suprised when i told him one of the things he had done in the last few years could have seen him in put in prison. My dad is one of the most law abiding people you could ever wish to meet, but even to him the law is now becoming too much of an inconvenience.
Hedders said:
It has to be more than just some pressure group manging to give everyone a false perception though.
We see it day in and day out. Government employees who's job it is to use electronic equipment to establish if tax payers are above or below certain thresholds for an ever increasing amount of punishable offences.
I am sorry but if someone needs to use gadgetry to establish if i am a law breaker or not then the law is a tad unnecesary. It only takes a few laws that make no sense and all of the rest of them are bought into question.
My retired father was quite suprised when i told him one of the things he had done in the last few years could have seen him in put in prison. My dad is one of the most law abiding people you could ever wish to meet, but even to him the law is now becoming too much of an inconvenience.
What was the thing he did that surprised him ?We see it day in and day out. Government employees who's job it is to use electronic equipment to establish if tax payers are above or below certain thresholds for an ever increasing amount of punishable offences.
I am sorry but if someone needs to use gadgetry to establish if i am a law breaker or not then the law is a tad unnecesary. It only takes a few laws that make no sense and all of the rest of them are bought into question.
My retired father was quite suprised when i told him one of the things he had done in the last few years could have seen him in put in prison. My dad is one of the most law abiding people you could ever wish to meet, but even to him the law is now becoming too much of an inconvenience.
Hedders said:
It has to be more than just some pressure group manging to give everyone a false perception though.
We see it day in and day out. Government employees who's job it is to use electronic equipment to establish if tax payers are above or below certain thresholds for an ever increasing amount of punishable offences.
I am sorry but if someone needs to use gadgetry to establish if i am a law breaker or not then the law is a tad unnecesary. It only takes a few laws that make no sense and all of the rest of them are bought into question.
My retired father was quite suprised when i told him one of the things he had done in the last few years could have seen him in put in prison. My dad is one of the most law abiding people you could ever wish to meet, but even to him the law is now becoming too much of an inconvenience.
Like what had he done? We see it day in and day out. Government employees who's job it is to use electronic equipment to establish if tax payers are above or below certain thresholds for an ever increasing amount of punishable offences.
I am sorry but if someone needs to use gadgetry to establish if i am a law breaker or not then the law is a tad unnecesary. It only takes a few laws that make no sense and all of the rest of them are bought into question.
My retired father was quite suprised when i told him one of the things he had done in the last few years could have seen him in put in prison. My dad is one of the most law abiding people you could ever wish to meet, but even to him the law is now becoming too much of an inconvenience.
Speed has to be measured by a device.
oldsoak said:
If you live within the law, what possible reason could you have for worrying? Only when you step over that line between lawful and unlawful would you have any cause to worry...unless of course you are so paranoid as to believe that every BiB is 'out to get you'...
Have you checked all 60,000? new laws to make sure you are not in contravention of any them?Hedders said:
oldsoak said:
If you live within the law, what possible reason could you have for worrying? Only when you step over that line between lawful and unlawful would you have any cause to worry...unless of course you are so paranoid as to believe that every BiB is 'out to get you'...
Have you checked all 60,000? new laws to make sure you are not in contravention of any them?Hedders said:
oldsoak said:
If you live within the law, what possible reason could you have for worrying? Only when you step over that line between lawful and unlawful would you have any cause to worry...unless of course you are so paranoid as to believe that every BiB is 'out to get you'...
Have you checked all 60,000? new laws to make sure you are not in contravention of any them?Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 12th August 12:29
Hedders said:
My retired father was quite suprised when i told him one of the things he had done in the last few years could have seen him in put in prison. My dad is one of the most law abiding people you could ever wish to meet, but even to him the law is now becoming too much of an inconvenience.
But is it though. Has he really said that to you. How is being law abiding affecting him that much (yes, I appreciate you may not wish to give specifics, just give generalisations).I see people thinking it's worse than it is every day of the week.
BFF
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Like what had he done?
He shared speeding points so he could continue going to work. [disclaimer: I may or may not be telling the truth and this may just be my internet persona telling porkies so do not use this as evidence against my father in any after the fact legal proceedings..]
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Speed has to be measured by a device.
Only if the margins are so tight that the law is pointless, imo.Video's like this one actually make me feel queasy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cerYiPogw-0&mod...
If you can not tell that someone is driving dangerously by watching them, should they really be punished?
If the public had speed camera's there would not be one serving police officer with a driving license but they don't deserve that any more than we do.
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