Zero tolerance
Discussion
Our local police are having a "zero tolerance" initiative right now. Basically this means they pick a certain area or road, give it high level policing, and prosecute anybody who is over the posted limit no matter what the margin. Usually there is a little leeway (as I suspect there is in the UK). End result (as seen by my neighbour last week) is that being even slightly over the speed limit (he was doing 84km/h in an 80 zone) gets you a nice fine. Next week they start on my route to work 
Of course it's nice that they announce these things beforehand, which I'm sure has an immediate effect on behaviour. But I'm curious to know what folks on here (especially the traffic police) think about this approach. Worth doing or just getting people's backs up?
Of course it's nice that they announce these things beforehand, which I'm sure has an immediate effect on behaviour. But I'm curious to know what folks on here (especially the traffic police) think about this approach. Worth doing or just getting people's backs up?
davido140 said:
wish they could do that in a town center, or a housing estate, Zero Tolerance on yobs, hoodies, burglars, pissed idiots..
If a hundred or so police descended on your local area and rounded up all the nobbers and stuck em with a fine...
But that would be against their human rights, the poor little lambs.If a hundred or so police descended on your local area and rounded up all the nobbers and stuck em with a fine...
Seriously though, our priorities are
ed up in this country.
Where do they get them all from. They always plead a lack of resources until it comes down to speed enforcement and then they come out of their offices to fall over each other in the name of "Road Safety".
When my son attended the end of school prom held at a local Country Club (used anually for the event) he got together with a few friends and hired a stretch limo for the journey there and back. It was usual for most of the attendees to hire them instead of taxis and private mini buses.
When they arrived at the entrance to the club's driveway they were stopped by a gaggle of Traffic BiB's who checked the number of passengers being carried in all the stratch limos'. If they found more than should've been carried they were ordered out and told to walk the rest of the way, in their ball gowns and tux's.
Now I know it is an offence to carry more passengers than the vehicle is designed for, Insurance implications and carrying passengers in a dangerous manner etc. BUT police resources to target such an event? It's a joke! Fish in a barrel time again!! Easy targets all the time.
Have you noticed how PCSOs are starting to populate the scenes of quite serious crimes?
Resources? Don't make me laugh. To be stuck with paperwork you have to get the offenders first, you never see evidence of BiB's on the street in order to detect the offenders and get the paperwork.
From my sources it's all about stats, real policing was killed off about 5 years ago. Tickets for this and tickets for that, Investigation? Wash your mouth out with soap. Perish the thought...Investigation...pah!! Now who's up for a bit of speed trapping? Don't all rush...form an orderly queue. Luvverly Jubbly.
When my son attended the end of school prom held at a local Country Club (used anually for the event) he got together with a few friends and hired a stretch limo for the journey there and back. It was usual for most of the attendees to hire them instead of taxis and private mini buses.
When they arrived at the entrance to the club's driveway they were stopped by a gaggle of Traffic BiB's who checked the number of passengers being carried in all the stratch limos'. If they found more than should've been carried they were ordered out and told to walk the rest of the way, in their ball gowns and tux's.
Now I know it is an offence to carry more passengers than the vehicle is designed for, Insurance implications and carrying passengers in a dangerous manner etc. BUT police resources to target such an event? It's a joke! Fish in a barrel time again!! Easy targets all the time.
Have you noticed how PCSOs are starting to populate the scenes of quite serious crimes?
Resources? Don't make me laugh. To be stuck with paperwork you have to get the offenders first, you never see evidence of BiB's on the street in order to detect the offenders and get the paperwork.
From my sources it's all about stats, real policing was killed off about 5 years ago. Tickets for this and tickets for that, Investigation? Wash your mouth out with soap. Perish the thought...Investigation...pah!! Now who's up for a bit of speed trapping? Don't all rush...form an orderly queue. Luvverly Jubbly.
Hello Finland , are the speeding fines still related to salary ?. Didnt someone get a fine of a few hundred thousand pounds a few years ago for speeding ?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_5_1...
In Finland, according to the Wall Street Journal, people are fined for speeding (usually more than 12 mph over the limit) on a scale graded not only according to speed but according to income. Jaako Rytsola, a 27-year-old Internet entrepreneur, who sped in his BMW, was fined $71,400. Kejo Kopra, a corporate director pulled over, was fined $14,500. The poor--if there are any poor in Nokia-land--can get by with as low a fine as $63 to $110. (The price of sinning at even the slowest speed and the lowest income level is high in Finland.)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_5_1...
In Finland, according to the Wall Street Journal, people are fined for speeding (usually more than 12 mph over the limit) on a scale graded not only according to speed but according to income. Jaako Rytsola, a 27-year-old Internet entrepreneur, who sped in his BMW, was fined $71,400. Kejo Kopra, a corporate director pulled over, was fined $14,500. The poor--if there are any poor in Nokia-land--can get by with as low a fine as $63 to $110. (The price of sinning at even the slowest speed and the lowest income level is high in Finland.)
zcacogp said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
davido140 said:
wish they could do that in a town center, or a housing estate, Zero Tolerance on yobs, hoodies, burglars, pissed idiots..
If a hundred or so police descended on your local area and rounded up all the nobbers and stick em on fire...
If a hundred or so police descended on your local area and rounded up all the nobbers and stick em on fire...
Oli.
(although I did 1st read it as stick them in a fire...)
Possibly we should start a petition on the downing street site.... "We want zero tollerance policing in all urban areas"
But all it'd mean is we get stuck with fines for putting bins out an hour early, and driving at 0.00001 mph over the limit.
davido140 said:
wish they could do that in a town center, or a housing estate, Zero Tolerance on yobs, hoodies, burglars, pissed idiots..
If a hundred or so police descended on your local area and rounded up all the nobbers and stuck em with a fine...
shame they don't put it into real crime areas, drugs shooting and robberys. but then it requires paperwork and policing. unlike you've done 33mph so £60 and 3 points away with you.If a hundred or so police descended on your local area and rounded up all the nobbers and stuck em with a fine...
Hello Helsinki, hello Helsinki! Would you please welcome from England, Com - U - Nism!
That's it! The erosion of hooning freedoms and the rise in totalitariansim is directly proportional to the extinction of classic rock unt metal.
Feck me, I'm a genius.
That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPS, Buddy; hate people, love animals.
That's it! The erosion of hooning freedoms and the rise in totalitariansim is directly proportional to the extinction of classic rock unt metal.
Feck me, I'm a genius.
That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPS, Buddy; hate people, love animals.
XMG5 said:
Where do they get them all from. They always plead a lack of resources until it comes down to speed enforcement and then they come out of their offices to fall over each other in the name of "Road Safety".
When my son attended the end of school prom held at a local Country Club (used anually for the event) he got together with a few friends and hired a stretch limo for the journey there and back. It was usual for most of the attendees to hire them instead of taxis and private mini buses.
When they arrived at the entrance to the club's driveway they were stopped by a gaggle of Traffic BiB's who checked the number of passengers being carried in all the stratch limos'. If they found more than should've been carried they were ordered out and told to walk the rest of the way, in their ball gowns and tux's.
Now I know it is an offence to carry more passengers than the vehicle is designed for, Insurance implications and carrying passengers in a dangerous manner etc. BUT police resources to target such an event? It's a joke! Fish in a barrel time again!! Easy targets all the time.
Have you noticed how PCSOs are starting to populate the scenes of quite serious crimes?
Resources? Don't make me laugh. To be stuck with paperwork you have to get the offenders first, you never see evidence of BiB's on the street in order to detect the offenders and get the paperwork.
From my sources it's all about stats, real policing was killed off about 5 years ago. Tickets for this and tickets for that, Investigation? Wash your mouth out with soap. Perish the thought...Investigation...pah!! Now who's up for a bit of speed trapping? Don't all rush...form an orderly queue. Luvverly Jubbly.
Every station that I've worked at has ploughed money & resources into extra burglary, robbery, vehicle crime initiatives etc.When my son attended the end of school prom held at a local Country Club (used anually for the event) he got together with a few friends and hired a stretch limo for the journey there and back. It was usual for most of the attendees to hire them instead of taxis and private mini buses.
When they arrived at the entrance to the club's driveway they were stopped by a gaggle of Traffic BiB's who checked the number of passengers being carried in all the stratch limos'. If they found more than should've been carried they were ordered out and told to walk the rest of the way, in their ball gowns and tux's.
Now I know it is an offence to carry more passengers than the vehicle is designed for, Insurance implications and carrying passengers in a dangerous manner etc. BUT police resources to target such an event? It's a joke! Fish in a barrel time again!! Easy targets all the time.
Have you noticed how PCSOs are starting to populate the scenes of quite serious crimes?
Resources? Don't make me laugh. To be stuck with paperwork you have to get the offenders first, you never see evidence of BiB's on the street in order to detect the offenders and get the paperwork.
From my sources it's all about stats, real policing was killed off about 5 years ago. Tickets for this and tickets for that, Investigation? Wash your mouth out with soap. Perish the thought...Investigation...pah!! Now who's up for a bit of speed trapping? Don't all rush...form an orderly queue. Luvverly Jubbly.
Do you know how many speeding initiatives they've run between them ?
A big fat zero.
vonhosen said:
Every station that I've worked at has ploughed money & resources into extra burglary, robbery, vehicle crime initiatives etc.
Do you know how many speeding initiatives they've run between them ?
A big fat zero.
Reading your post in an Orwellian manner, would that perhaps be because the SCP scamps do all that for them?!?Do you know how many speeding initiatives they've run between them ?
A big fat zero.
havoc said:
vonhosen said:
Every station that I've worked at has ploughed money & resources into extra burglary, robbery, vehicle crime initiatives etc.
Do you know how many speeding initiatives they've run between them ?
A big fat zero.
Reading your post in an Orwellian manner, would that perhaps be because the SCP scamps do all that for them?!?Do you know how many speeding initiatives they've run between them ?
A big fat zero.
The numbers of people doing targeted speed enforcement are very small indeed compared to the numbers doing the targeted burglary, robbery patrols etc, clearly displaying that speeding isn't the priority.
DPX said:
Hello Finland , are the speeding fines still related to salary ?. Didnt someone get a fine of a few hundred thousand pounds a few years ago for speeding ?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_5_1...
In Finland, according to the Wall Street Journal, people are fined for speeding (usually more than 12 mph over the limit) on a scale graded not only according to speed but according to income. Jaako Rytsola, a 27-year-old Internet entrepreneur, who sped in his BMW, was fined $71,400. Kejo Kopra, a corporate director pulled over, was fined $14,500. The poor--if there are any poor in Nokia-land--can get by with as low a fine as $63 to $110. (The price of sinning at even the slowest speed and the lowest income level is high in Finland.)
Yep, still the same situation. Luckily I'm one of the poor http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_5_1...
In Finland, according to the Wall Street Journal, people are fined for speeding (usually more than 12 mph over the limit) on a scale graded not only according to speed but according to income. Jaako Rytsola, a 27-year-old Internet entrepreneur, who sped in his BMW, was fined $71,400. Kejo Kopra, a corporate director pulled over, was fined $14,500. The poor--if there are any poor in Nokia-land--can get by with as low a fine as $63 to $110. (The price of sinning at even the slowest speed and the lowest income level is high in Finland.)
Wages in general are not high in Finland, despite what the Wall Street Journal would have you believe.Conversations in police cars (in my limited experience anyway) proceed like so: OK, you were X over the limit, grabbing your income details... calculating your fine now... got any kids? How many? So with child discount that's €€€€€€€ please
vonhosen said:
XMG5 said:
Where do they get them all from. They always plead a lack of resources until it comes down to speed enforcement and then they come out of their offices to fall over each other in the name of "Road Safety".
When my son attended the end of school prom held at a local Country Club (used anually for the event) he got together with a few friends and hired a stretch limo for the journey there and back. It was usual for most of the attendees to hire them instead of taxis and private mini buses.
When they arrived at the entrance to the club's driveway they were stopped by a gaggle of Traffic BiB's who checked the number of passengers being carried in all the stratch limos'. If they found more than should've been carried they were ordered out and told to walk the rest of the way, in their ball gowns and tux's.
Now I know it is an offence to carry more passengers than the vehicle is designed for, Insurance implications and carrying passengers in a dangerous manner etc. BUT police resources to target such an event? It's a joke! Fish in a barrel time again!! Easy targets all the time.
Have you noticed how PCSOs are starting to populate the scenes of quite serious crimes?
Resources? Don't make me laugh. To be stuck with paperwork you have to get the offenders first, you never see evidence of BiB's on the street in order to detect the offenders and get the paperwork.
From my sources it's all about stats, real policing was killed off about 5 years ago. Tickets for this and tickets for that, Investigation? Wash your mouth out with soap. Perish the thought...Investigation...pah!! Now who's up for a bit of speed trapping? Don't all rush...form an orderly queue. Luvverly Jubbly.
Every station that I've worked at has ploughed money & resources into extra burglary, robbery, vehicle crime initiatives etc.When my son attended the end of school prom held at a local Country Club (used anually for the event) he got together with a few friends and hired a stretch limo for the journey there and back. It was usual for most of the attendees to hire them instead of taxis and private mini buses.
When they arrived at the entrance to the club's driveway they were stopped by a gaggle of Traffic BiB's who checked the number of passengers being carried in all the stratch limos'. If they found more than should've been carried they were ordered out and told to walk the rest of the way, in their ball gowns and tux's.
Now I know it is an offence to carry more passengers than the vehicle is designed for, Insurance implications and carrying passengers in a dangerous manner etc. BUT police resources to target such an event? It's a joke! Fish in a barrel time again!! Easy targets all the time.
Have you noticed how PCSOs are starting to populate the scenes of quite serious crimes?
Resources? Don't make me laugh. To be stuck with paperwork you have to get the offenders first, you never see evidence of BiB's on the street in order to detect the offenders and get the paperwork.
From my sources it's all about stats, real policing was killed off about 5 years ago. Tickets for this and tickets for that, Investigation? Wash your mouth out with soap. Perish the thought...Investigation...pah!! Now who's up for a bit of speed trapping? Don't all rush...form an orderly queue. Luvverly Jubbly.
Do you know how many speeding initiatives they've run between them ?
A big fat zero.
Most initiatives shown by ACPO these days are squad based, small teams set aside to investigate specific crime genres. In fact our own CC a few years ago scoffed at the premise that the Bobby on the Beat was anything other than an outdated, worthless, over-rated and expensive waste of time in the fight against crime.
Strange then that a large % of high profile crimes currently receiving publicity are at street level. The very same streets that the police have deserted in favour of squads and Cameras (Speed Detection/Public CCTV). Someone's even invented the talking CCTV camera so that the civilian controller can issue verbals to those being observed, even doing away with the need for a copper's firm words of advice.
It's not society's place to "win back the streets" it's the responsibility of the police. Why do they always assert it's the public's responsibility to help when they are seen to be failing in their role? The police are paid, trained and employed to do the job of "keeping the Queen's peace" in all it's guises. Why have a dog and bark yourself?
Edited by XMG5 on Friday 31st August 14:25
XMG5,
You're close. The problem is the police are being 'targeted' off the streets, and legislation (and targets) are making it a lot more difficult/risky for MoP's to 'step in'/'get involved'. So there's doubly less 'policing' of anti-social behaviour.
And the police DO still ask for the help of the public, but we get instances like the Lord thingummy incident where an MoP DOES help and nearly gets a caution for his troubles.
Left hand/right hand, sadly...
You're close. The problem is the police are being 'targeted' off the streets, and legislation (and targets) are making it a lot more difficult/risky for MoP's to 'step in'/'get involved'. So there's doubly less 'policing' of anti-social behaviour.
And the police DO still ask for the help of the public, but we get instances like the Lord thingummy incident where an MoP DOES help and nearly gets a caution for his troubles.
Left hand/right hand, sadly...
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