CSL & E92 M3 comparative performance figures?

CSL & E92 M3 comparative performance figures?

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peter_964rs

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287 posts

274 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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does anyone have any data on the comparative performance between the two? Not just in raw acceleration but also circuit lap times?

I'm considering both but have to balance my priorities - I drive more on the road than track at present. Both are very attractive....


griffgrog

705 posts

247 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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If you want a road car, the E92 is streets ahead. A fantasic piece of kit. No contest.

If you want a track car, the CSL is streets ahead. As fast as a GT3, No contest.

If you want a mixture if both, you're in for eternal torment....

peter_964rs

Original Poster:

287 posts

274 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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It is because I am tormented that I am looking for stats.....

m12_nathan

5,138 posts

260 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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e92 slightly quicker in a straight line, though from personal experience it isn't really noticable on the road when they are following each other.

CSL on cups laps the 'ring in 7:50, e92 on cups (albeit cup+ tyres rather than plain old cup tyres) laps in 8:05.

CSL is £20k cheaper and aren't depreciating as quickly as the newer car if that makes any difference.

griffgrog

705 posts

247 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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If you're up for spending c£30K then the existing CSL fits the bill. If you want to spend c£60K then a quick chat with your friends BMW dealer about the CSL list may be appropriate. I believe it's expected in about a year.

Dave Dax builder

662 posts

260 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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If you like the 964 RS then you will be quite at home in the CSL, and it's a bit comfier.

D.no

706 posts

213 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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IMO the E92 isn't comparable to the CSL (even in E92 CSL guise) as it is in a completely different price bracket. For the money (<£37k), there's nothing like a CSL in terms of practicality, and blistering lap times.

However, if I had the funds available to buy an E92 M3 it wouldn't even get considered for 2 reasons:

1) 996 GT3
2) Depreciation (something which is fairly negligable at the moment with CSL's and 996 GT3's)

I hope you're not considering selling the 964rs - values have got silly recently.

peter_964rs

Original Poster:

287 posts

274 months

Thursday 7th February 2008
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I sold the RS a few years ago but kept the name....

I've sat in the E92 and loved the driving position and the general feeling of "rightness". I guess I have to drive both....!

DoctorD

1,542 posts

257 months

Friday 8th February 2008
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I don't have my figures to hand at the moment, but to keep you going..

The E46 CSL gets from 0-125mph in around 16-16.5 seconds, the E92 M3 will do that same increment between 15-15.5 seconds, so its quicker but only really manifests above 100mph, otherwise they're about 0.5 second apart at 100mph.

Lapping Bedford the E92 M3 managed a mid-124.5 if memory serves me correct. Check that against the usual lap times in EVO, but if memory serves me right that's around 1.5-2 seconds slower than a 997 GT3 and pretty darn close to the E46 CSL.

The difference comes down to the purity of the driving experience, the E46 CSL seems to deliver more than the sum of its parts, whereas the E92 M3 is closer to what you would expect (i.e. one of them will probably exceed your expectations more than the other).

Both will distinguish themselves by the sound and feel of their engines, the CSL has that unique touring car racer sound from it's massive carbon fibre intake, the E92 M3 has one of the most evocative V8 engines of recent times (although it was silenced somewhat from the more raw press car I drove at the launch event). Both are at the top of their class in this respect.

I actually find they feel similar in terms of acceleration (although my CSL is putting out close to 380bhp, so perhaps that's part of the reason why).

peter_964rs

Original Poster:

287 posts

274 months

Friday 8th February 2008
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I found www.fastestlaps.com which was quite revealing....

I'll have to drive both. Only way to decide....

dxb335d

2,905 posts

196 months

Saturday 9th February 2008
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DoctorD, what mods have you done to your CSL to achieve 380bhp?

m12_nathan

5,138 posts

260 months

Sunday 10th February 2008
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Remap & 100 cell cats I believe.

DoctorD

1,542 posts

257 months

Sunday 17th February 2008
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dxb335d said:
DoctorD, what mods have you done to your CSL to achieve 380bhp?
It has a supersprint straight through centre pipe, 100 cell race cats and its been remapped by Simitis. All in all, just under 380bhp.

shim

2,050 posts

209 months

Monday 18th February 2008
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Steve

When did you get the remap?

DoctorD

1,542 posts

257 months

Tuesday 19th February 2008
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Back in November '07. I'd been running with the SS exhausts for the previous 4 years but still really noticed the improved smoothness and performance after the remap. Well worth doing IMO.

chillo

724 posts

223 months

Tuesday 19th February 2008
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Simitis? who are they? do you have a link?
Not heard of them before!
cheers

M3desmo

582 posts

214 months

Tuesday 19th February 2008
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chillo said:
Simitis? who are they? do you have a link?
Not heard of them before!
cheers
Damon & Mitchell have recently started Simtis. Mitchell has extensive experience in remap work having been involved in Revo.

http://www.simtis.co.uk/ 

Highly recommended for CSL remaps.

shim

2,050 posts

209 months

Wednesday 20th February 2008
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Was at Silverstone today at the t/d and Mitch was there tinkering with a few cars electronics!!!!

estoril-m3

1 posts

194 months

Sunday 23rd March 2008
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Have you thought about buying a late E46 m3 for daily and buying an Exige for track use?

imuir

391 posts

285 months