Swimming pool advice required

Swimming pool advice required

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rex

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Tuesday 9th June 2009
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We are in the process of building a new house and the plot that we are building on has a swimming pool. We are planning to keep it. My architect wants to use rainwater harvesting to top up the evaporation from the pool. I do not know if this is a good idea or not. I have had one pool guy say it is not a good idea but cannot see why as it is an outdoor pool and will get rained on anyway.

Any advice on this would be appreciated.

XJSJohn

15,966 posts

220 months

Tuesday 9th June 2009
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don't see a problem as long as its cleaned and the chemicals stuff done right.

Thousands of pools here that get gallons of water dumped into them from teh heavens in the monsoon season!!

Plotloss

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271 months

Tuesday 9th June 2009
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I know a man whose father runs a pool company but I've sort of lost touch with him recently.

If I can find him, it may be a source of impartial advice if nothing else.

Alternatively, give the pool a miss and go for the Model Ds biggrinbiggrin

Edited by Plotloss on Tuesday 9th June 12:17

rex

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Cheers Plotless. Be great if you can. As you can see I have a number of things to sort out at the moment and not just the fun Hi-Fi and TV stuff.

Iain328

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207 months

Tuesday 9th June 2009
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rex said:
We are in the process of building a new house and the plot that we are building on has a swimming pool. We are planning to keep it. My architect wants to use rainwater harvesting to top up the evaporation from the pool. I do not know if this is a good idea or not. I have had one pool guy say it is not a good idea but cannot see why as it is an outdoor pool and will get rained on anyway.

Any advice on this would be appreciated.
Your architect should be spending more time worrying about you are going to heat the darn thing!! Look into Heat pumps & Solar panels if you have the space somewhere to put them. If you keep the pool covered when not in use (especially at night) you will reduce evaporation considerably (as well as reduce heat loss).

To be honest, unless you plan to drain the thing regularly (and there is no reason why you should!), water "usage" is a bit of a non-issue - especially in comparison to energy usage.

Besides that, as others have pointed out, if you get an inch of rain, well, funnily enough your pool level will rise by an inch! (regardless of whether its got a cover on or not). Indeed if you get a sustained period of wet weather you may well end up pumping water out of the pool to waste to bring the level down.

rex

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Tuesday 9th June 2009
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Heating of pool is sorted. We are trying to achieve Passiv house standard and without using 100% rainwater for outside, then it can not be achieved.

sleep envy

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Tuesday 9th June 2009
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give your A a dry slap

if the water is filtered and chlorinated correctly, using grey water is a fantastic idea to keep a pool topped up

if you really want to take maximum advantage of your water harvesting then you could also use it for toilet flushing, garden watering, car washing, etc, etc

have completed a few schemes recently where we've run two supply systems in a building - one off the main checked supply and another off the grey water system

the payback isn't too bad as long as you own the house long term

rex

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Tuesday 9th June 2009
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It was a pool guy who said not to top up with rainwater. The architect has wanted to do it all along.

sleep envy

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Tuesday 9th June 2009
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and his reasoning was?

dmitsi

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Tuesday 9th June 2009
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Don't know why the pool guy would be against it. Maybe worried about the amount and control of water getting into the pool. If you set the system up to divert to your home water when the pool doesn't need it, it will be fine.

sleep envy

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Tuesday 9th June 2009
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very easy to control the flow, can be done without any moving parts

rex

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Tuesday 9th June 2009
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I will be giving the pool guy a call this afternoon

Onz

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207 months

Tuesday 9th June 2009
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My parents's place has a pool and the rain has never done any harm to the pool, last weekends rain topped it up nicely in fact following the previous fortnights good weather!

As an aside, I'm sure I remember my sister mentioning that you can get a discount or rebate from your water company if you have an outdoor pool - I'm pretty sure I'm not talking bks, will check next time I talk to her!

smile

jeff m

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259 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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I think you may have misunderstood one of the statements, rain water directly into the pool is absolutely no problem. Difficult to avoid reallysmile

Rain water run off is obviously not desireable.

Depending on your rain, you may have to watch your PH. For example in the USA the rain on the east coast is slightly acidic, so we add PH+ to compensate. The West coast rain is more alkaline....No I don't know whysmile

Generally speaking....if you have abilty to afford a pool, you should have no problem maintaining one.

jeff m

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Wednesday 10th June 2009
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With regard to evaporation, unless Bucks has become an arid desert your evaporation losses will be minimal.
However losses from splashing, jumping in, diving etc are proportional to use.

PS put a solar cover on your shopping list.

Edited by jeff m on Wednesday 10th June 06:24

rex

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Wednesday 10th June 2009
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Spoke to pool guy this morning. Does not advise using harvested rainwater due to acidity and bacterial contamination.

Bacterial contamination not a problem with rainwater straight into pool but harvested water has been over all sorts of surfaces. Can't do much about pH of rainwater straight into pool.


dmitsi

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221 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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Well that's fine, but I would imagine he's talking about rainwater flowing off roofs and into the pool. If you have the water collected into underground storage (not above ground as the water can get brackish), you will have a filter and pump which means the water stays clear and perfect for use in your pool. You can get state of the art filters which can make the water drinkable. I doubt you'll need that though, we're not quite third world yet.

Edited by dmitsi on Wednesday 10th June 10:22

rex

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Wednesday 10th June 2009
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dmitsi said:
Well that's fine, but I would imagine he's talking about rainwater flowing off roofs and into the pool.
He was on about water collected into large tank and not the run off from roof. In our case there is no direct run off from the roof to the pool.

sleep envy

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250 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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with changing Ph levels from metal pipes - which wouldn't be used as it's all poly pipe incl the tank due to it being buried

I personally reckon it's feasible

dmitsi

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Wednesday 10th June 2009
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sleep envy said:
I personally reckon it's feasible
It certainly is, and very viable. I'm really not sure why this pool guy is against it. We used to install small kits which collected the rain water from the solar covers. The water was cleaned/filtered and stored underground. You had to consider your soak away, but there was no other hassle and the water showed no extra signs of unbalanced ph. Same treatment as any other pool.

We had a couple of customers who had 6500 litre tanks which supplied the house and the pool and well everything other than drinking water. No problems with the water quality.

The company I worked for is in Sussex, but I'll speak to him later and see if he has any good recommendations for the Bucks area.