Ryan Shawcross.....villain or unfortunate fall guy?
Poll: Ryan Shawcross.....villain or unfortunate fall guy?
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the picture si have seen show that his ankle is already at an angle prior to shawcross even reaching him. ramsey has gone over on his ankle and shawcross just comes in at the worst possible time. its utter nonsense to suggest that it ws intentional, it was just a terrible accident. had shawcross not gone for the ball, ramsey would just be left lying there albeit maybe not in the same ocndition but shawcross had no idea that ramsey was already on his way down and he couldnt have pulled out of the tackle had he known anyway!...
arsenal, well they love feeling hard done to so they will milk this for all its worth which is pretty disgusting reallly.
arsenal, well they love feeling hard done to so they will milk this for all its worth which is pretty disgusting reallly.
bonsai said:
It's not the first time he's snapped someone's leg is it? It's always the less able players that have to charge in and try and get the ball that way, since they cannot acomplish it with skill and finesse.
and i suppose your 10 times the player shawcross is? if you felt that way, why havent you voted on the malicious side?
pablo said:
the picture si have seen show that his ankle is already at an angle prior to shawcross even reaching him. ramsey has gone over on his ankle and shawcross just comes in at the worst possible time. its utter nonsense to suggest that it ws intentional, it was just a terrible accident. had shawcross not gone for the ball, ramsey would just be left lying there albeit maybe not in the same ocndition but shawcross had no idea that ramsey was already on his way down and he couldnt have pulled out of the tackle had he known anyway!...
arsenal, well they love feeling hard done to so they will milk this for all its worth which is pretty disgusting reallly.
Does it matter what angle his ankle was at when it was his leg that was broken (through the shin pad)?arsenal, well they love feeling hard done to so they will milk this for all its worth which is pretty disgusting reallly.
I'm not saying that he intended to break his leg but make no mistake that he was ensuring that Ramsey wasn't progressing.
Bloody hell. Football is a contact sport. Shawcross had every right to challenge for the ball. When you tackle someone the general aim is to stop them in their tracks.
At the speed and intensity the professional game is played, injuries like that are going to happen when two players challenge for 50:50 possession.
It was a horrible outcome but you could tell that Shawcross was visibly shaken as soon as Ramsey had gone down. Why would he have intentionally broken Ramsey's leg? Ridiculous assertion.
At the speed and intensity the professional game is played, injuries like that are going to happen when two players challenge for 50:50 possession.
It was a horrible outcome but you could tell that Shawcross was visibly shaken as soon as Ramsey had gone down. Why would he have intentionally broken Ramsey's leg? Ridiculous assertion.
This is not the point, the point Arsene and Fab were making is that this has happened three times in the last four seasons. They are attacking the way teams go out to intentionaly go in hard on Arsenal players becasue Arsenal don't like it. I do not think he went in with the intention of breaking his leg but he did go in with the intention of stopping him.
You have to understand why Arsenal are so upset, three players, young players who have potentially had their carears ended early becuase of the tactics used against them. These are not just miss timed challenged resulting in a player being out for a couple of weeks with bruising, this is both bones in their legs being broken.
Well he was crying and him Mum picked him up so you have to feel sorry for him.... You have to take responsabilities for your actions, he has already broken someone elses ankle, and was close to it on Adebayour in 2006 at the Britania if i remember, Ade went off. Terry is a strong takler, but how many legs has he broken? hearts yes, marriages yes but legs?
It all boils down to the fact that the 19year old, most promising talent out of Wales for many a year may never achieve his potential let alone play football again.
You have to understand why Arsenal are so upset, three players, young players who have potentially had their carears ended early becuase of the tactics used against them. These are not just miss timed challenged resulting in a player being out for a couple of weeks with bruising, this is both bones in their legs being broken.
Well he was crying and him Mum picked him up so you have to feel sorry for him.... You have to take responsabilities for your actions, he has already broken someone elses ankle, and was close to it on Adebayour in 2006 at the Britania if i remember, Ade went off. Terry is a strong takler, but how many legs has he broken? hearts yes, marriages yes but legs?
It all boils down to the fact that the 19year old, most promising talent out of Wales for many a year may never achieve his potential let alone play football again.
Mattygooner said:
This is not the point, the point Arsene and Fab were making is that this has happened three times in the last four seasons. They are attacking the way teams go out to intentionaly go in hard on Arsenal players becasue Arsenal don't like it. I do not think he went in with the intention of breaking his leg but he did go in with the intention of stopping him.
You have to understand why Arsenal are so upset, three players, young players who have potentially had their careers ended early because of the tactics used against them. These are not just miss timed challenged resulting in a player being out for a couple of weeks with bruising, this is both bones in their legs being broken.
Well he was crying and him Mum picked him up so you have to feel sorry for him.... You have to take responsibilities for your actions, he has already broken someone else's ankle, and was close to it on Adebayour in 2006 at the Britannia if I remember, Ade went off. Terry is a strong tackler, but how many legs has he broken? hearts yes, marriages yes but legs?
It all boils down to the fact that the 19year old, most promising talent out of Wales for many a year may never achieve his potential let alone play football again.
I'd say that Arsenal have to expect that clubs will try to stop them playing "their" game. I saw the tackle on Sunday morning and used my PVR to view it several times. It was not malicious and to be honest didn't even look like a yellow card tackle. The other angle they showed later did show contact but again not the "bone crunching" tackle you seem to be making out. You have to understand why Arsenal are so upset, three players, young players who have potentially had their careers ended early because of the tactics used against them. These are not just miss timed challenged resulting in a player being out for a couple of weeks with bruising, this is both bones in their legs being broken.
Well he was crying and him Mum picked him up so you have to feel sorry for him.... You have to take responsibilities for your actions, he has already broken someone else's ankle, and was close to it on Adebayour in 2006 at the Britannia if I remember, Ade went off. Terry is a strong tackler, but how many legs has he broken? hearts yes, marriages yes but legs?
It all boils down to the fact that the 19year old, most promising talent out of Wales for many a year may never achieve his potential let alone play football again.
The Incident is just an accident. Yes Arsenal have had a few of them but before blaming other teams I think that other factors need to be ruled out. To use Naval parlance Wenger plays Cruisers against Battleships at times and that cannot always work.
As For Shawcross's record against Arsenal, the incidents mainly seem to be about Adebayor and his attitude rather than Shawcross.
Edited by telecat on Monday 1st March 13:32
bikerPaul said:
pablo said:
the picture si have seen show that his ankle is already at an angle prior to shawcross even reaching him. ramsey has gone over on his ankle and shawcross just comes in at the worst possible time. its utter nonsense to suggest that it ws intentional, it was just a terrible accident. had shawcross not gone for the ball, ramsey would just be left lying there albeit maybe not in the same ocndition but shawcross had no idea that ramsey was already on his way down and he couldnt have pulled out of the tackle had he known anyway!...
arsenal, well they love feeling hard done to so they will milk this for all its worth which is pretty disgusting reallly.
Does it matter what angle his ankle was at when it was his leg that was broken (through the shin pad)?arsenal, well they love feeling hard done to so they will milk this for all its worth which is pretty disgusting reallly.
I'm not saying that he intended to break his leg but make no mistake that he was ensuring that Ramsey wasn't progressing.
and the pathetic whinging form wenger and the arsenal fans is just so petty. today i have read comments like "we are victimised", "it always happens to us", "teams adopt this they dont like it up em attitude towards arsenal and go in hard on us as they know our players are young and vulnerable" this, form the same supporters and managers who watched the bullying tactics of thugs like Keown and Viera on one Ruud van Nistelrooy. short memories and no sympahty i'm afraid...
Legend83 said:
Bloody hell. Football is a contact sport. Shawcross had every right to challenge for the ball. When you tackle someone the general aim is to stop them in their tracks.
At the speed and intensity the professional game is played, injuries like that are going to happen when two players challenge for 50:50 possession.
There seems to be a desire by some people to see the tackle banned and football emasculate until its contact rules are inline with basketball. At the speed and intensity the professional game is played, injuries like that are going to happen when two players challenge for 50:50 possession.
an awful, awful injury. horrific for such a young player. I think the whole of football wishes him a full recovery.
as for wenger's comment's pathetic, calculated, Petulant and most probably slanderous!!!! to be honest i expected nothing less....
as for wenger's comment's pathetic, calculated, Petulant and most probably slanderous!!!! to be honest i expected nothing less....
Edited by ascayman on Monday 1st March 14:12
Agree with pretty much most of the above.
Apart from the obvious Gunner fans
It was in no way deliberate. I don't even think it was a particularly "meaty" challenge.
Yeah some teams try to harrass Arsenal - and why not they know they don't like it.
I have alot of respect for Wenger as a manager - and a player developer - but in situations like this - and its not the first time - he comes accross very very poorly.
Apart from the obvious Gunner fans
It was in no way deliberate. I don't even think it was a particularly "meaty" challenge.
Yeah some teams try to harrass Arsenal - and why not they know they don't like it.
I have alot of respect for Wenger as a manager - and a player developer - but in situations like this - and its not the first time - he comes accross very very poorly.
From one image I've seen it looks like Ramseys leg was broken before Shawcross even got there. I could be wrong though, and the image could be decieving, haven't seen a slow motion replay anywhere.
It's the second image here, not nice.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/...
It's the second image here, not nice.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/...
ascayman said:
an awful, awful injury. horrific for such a young player. I think the whole of football wishes him a full recovery.
as for wenger's comment's pathetic, calculated, Petulant and most probably slanderous!!!! to be honest i expected nothing less....
that is perhaps the best comment on the thread.as for wenger's comment's pathetic, calculated, Petulant and most probably slanderous!!!! to be honest i expected nothing less....
Edited by ascayman on Monday 1st March 14:12
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