RE: Murciélago Roadster
Monday 1st March 2004
Murciélago Roadster
Roof off fun for Lambo fans
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Lamborghini are at the Geneva show with their latest hot goods. Now on a roll with people queuing up to buy the Murciélago and the slightly more affordable Gallardo, the company has now revealed the Murciélago roadster.
Production plans are already in place and the first cars are expected before the end of the year. It's as powerful as the coupe with the same 580bhp V12 engine.
Lamborghini are keen to point out that this is a well engineered solution. Hacking the top off supposedly hasn't adversely affected handling, performance or safety.
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That car is designed expressly for the Miami/ South Beach and California crowd.
Chrome bling wheels should come as standard as most of them will end up with them anyway.
Definately not a drivers car. More a stunning sounding posing pouch.
And they will sell loads of em. Can't blame 'em really !
Chrome bling wheels should come as standard as most of them will end up with them anyway.
Definately not a drivers car. More a stunning sounding posing pouch.
And they will sell loads of em. Can't blame 'em really !
Marki said:
Bodo said:
Without roof, it goes abruptly into the hairdresser league. IMHO.
So you are saying all convertibles and targas are
hairdressers cars
Not exclusively
No, but it's a step towards public hairdresserism.
There are marketing concepts of open cars that cry out "I'm a poseur!", and others that don't. An open top Lamborghini is one of the crying ones IMHO.
Probably because the open-top degrades the use of that Murciélago to driving up and down the highstreet, rather than enjoying it on trackdays. Paradox.
>> Edited to add: thanks toppstuff, you've put it a bit more eloquently.
>> Edited by Bodo on Monday 1st March 09:43
toppstuff said:
That car is designed expressly for the Miami/ South Beach and California crowd.
( . . . .)
Out in the open and the sound of the mighty 12 . . .
Anyways, here's more www.kldconcept.com/murcyroadste.htm
What on earth is wrong with a conv?
Convertibles are great if they're designed to be convertibles from the start, and that design is cohesive. If they're not, or the design is cack handed, they don't look right.
This doesn't do it for me at all. And then you have to ask where the roof goes, what head room there's likely to be with the roof on and how structural integrity has been compromised.
If Lambo believe that weight, performance and handling isn't compromised at all, then I would venture that the std car is missing out.
I'd drop the 550 Barchetta in the same sort of camp. And a number of other Supercars that seem to only end up as rag tops because there are ultra wealthy folk out there that seem to insist on having wind in the toupe motoring...
This doesn't do it for me at all. And then you have to ask where the roof goes, what head room there's likely to be with the roof on and how structural integrity has been compromised.
If Lambo believe that weight, performance and handling isn't compromised at all, then I would venture that the std car is missing out.
I'd drop the 550 Barchetta in the same sort of camp. And a number of other Supercars that seem to only end up as rag tops because there are ultra wealthy folk out there that seem to insist on having wind in the toupe motoring...
ooh,bit of a chip on your shoulder about rich people murph?
why do people moan about the practicalities of a lamborghini! oh,where does the roof go?my shopping won't fit! where are my bags gonna go?!how much headroom is there!!?!!
your missing the point of the car by the proverbial country mile.
its not designed to take you away for the weekend or to work!!
its designed to pose in and the only car that comes close is the zonda roadster.fantastic cars
>> Edited by captain honesty on Monday 1st March 11:09
why do people moan about the practicalities of a lamborghini! oh,where does the roof go?my shopping won't fit! where are my bags gonna go?!how much headroom is there!!?!!
your missing the point of the car by the proverbial country mile.
its not designed to take you away for the weekend or to work!!
its designed to pose in and the only car that comes close is the zonda roadster.fantastic cars
>> Edited by captain honesty on Monday 1st March 11:09
Not at all. I guess I have more of a "chip on my shoulder" about things being done to top notch cars that are of dubious use...
I wonder if Lamborghini/Ferrari/Porsche/etc would ever openly agree that the only reason they are doing something is for the pose value.
There has been a lot of derision lately about people who add massive chromed wheels, or even neon lights to their supercars. Just because this mod has been built by the manufacturer, is it massively different? I fully appreciate I'm stretching a point here, but I suspect this car will appeal to the same set...
Look at the cars in my profile and you'll note that I'm not necessarily big on practicality for its own sake! But the fact is that it rains in this country. A lot, and at unexpected times. So to avoid looking a prize tit, ruining the interior of the car and for slightly increased security a roof is handy.
And like I said, if you can chop the roof off like this without any impact to the car's performance etc, then I believe the coupe could be made lighter, more powerful etc etc and therefore a better driver's car for those who prefer that aspect of these fantastic machines.
I wonder if Lamborghini/Ferrari/Porsche/etc would ever openly agree that the only reason they are doing something is for the pose value.
There has been a lot of derision lately about people who add massive chromed wheels, or even neon lights to their supercars. Just because this mod has been built by the manufacturer, is it massively different? I fully appreciate I'm stretching a point here, but I suspect this car will appeal to the same set...
Look at the cars in my profile and you'll note that I'm not necessarily big on practicality for its own sake! But the fact is that it rains in this country. A lot, and at unexpected times. So to avoid looking a prize tit, ruining the interior of the car and for slightly increased security a roof is handy.
And like I said, if you can chop the roof off like this without any impact to the car's performance etc, then I believe the coupe could be made lighter, more powerful etc etc and therefore a better driver's car for those who prefer that aspect of these fantastic machines.
murph7355 said:
Convertibles are great if they're designed to be convertibles from the start, and that design is cohesive. If they're not, or the design is cack handed, they don't look right.
This doesn't do it for me at all. And then you have to ask where the roof goes, what head room there's likely to be with the roof on and how structural integrity has been compromised.
If Lambo believe that weight, performance and handling isn't compromised at all, then I would venture that the std car is missing out.
I'd drop the 550 Barchetta in the same sort of camp. And a number of other Supercars that seem to only end up as rag tops because there are ultra wealthy folk out there that seem to insist on having wind in the toupe motoring...
I can see where you're coming from about engineering - convertibles are usually only any good if they've been designed from the off as convertibles. Chop-top coupes need strengthening and often the design is less resolved around the rear deck. They are heavier and tend to suffer from body-flexing and scuttle-shake.
All the best performance variants have been coupes (though I can think of a few - 420 SEAC, Porsche 356 Speedster, Jaguar XK120), so the 'real' performance driver will always go for a coupe or a targa. But so what? Full convertibles are a lot of fun and it's not as though Lamborghini will enter one in GT racing is it?
cotty said:
Mmm.... doesn't get much more desirable than this does it?
Yes. put the roof back on
. . .buy a Miura roadster.
Lambo-pic heaven at www.genesisautosales.com/DreamCars/Lamborghini/page_01.htm
ok... anyone calling this a poseur's car is not technically wrong. I mean, I'm pretty sure that anyone who is simply obsessed with performance is going to find an old piece of shit and drop a huge motor in it, or even better, buy a bike-engined caterham, or if you need the same full-range performance, how about a porsche 911 turbo or ultima gtr with the big-block chevy? Supercars of the murcielago's ilk are only partly about performance, they have a certain air of ultimate power, both within the machine, and within the wallet of the owner. A lamborghini wasn't always a fantastic drive, but it's always been a spectacle. This is simply a "more lamborghini" murcielago than it was before. (the murcielago was a more serious, more "audi" diablo... get what I'm going on about?) More extravagant, more impossible to ignore. hairdresser's car it is NOT.
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