PhD's; published papers during study
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I was wondering if anybody who has a PhD, also published in 'peer reviewed journals' before or as soon as they got their PhD.?
I see lots of academic jobs at lecturer (not senior lecturer) level are asking for someone with a PhD 'submitted or nearing submission' but then go on to ask that you have 'published in respected peer reviewed journals'. From my recollection most PhD students managed conference papwers and perhaps the odd publication in trade or low level online journals but I don't recall any publishing in 'respected peer reviewed journals'. Bearing in mind the time lag between first submission and publication is typically 18 months in the better journals, surely nobody has anything to say after 18 months of a PhD worthy of getting in a top flight journal? Most havene't even completed the field work.
Have universities just upped the ante in view of the over supply of applicants or is this just academic cock waving that their institute expects more than a PhD.?
I see lots of academic jobs at lecturer (not senior lecturer) level are asking for someone with a PhD 'submitted or nearing submission' but then go on to ask that you have 'published in respected peer reviewed journals'. From my recollection most PhD students managed conference papwers and perhaps the odd publication in trade or low level online journals but I don't recall any publishing in 'respected peer reviewed journals'. Bearing in mind the time lag between first submission and publication is typically 18 months in the better journals, surely nobody has anything to say after 18 months of a PhD worthy of getting in a top flight journal? Most havene't even completed the field work.
Have universities just upped the ante in view of the over supply of applicants or is this just academic cock waving that their institute expects more than a PhD.?
Edited by Four Cofffee on Friday 30th July 18:09
Have you co-written or contributed to anything published by your supervisor? Maybe that's the type of stuff they are after?
Only conjecture mind, I've only just finished my BSc but whenever I talked to my tutorial demonstrators (doing their PHDs) they always seemed to be working on papers with their supervisors.
Only conjecture mind, I've only just finished my BSc but whenever I talked to my tutorial demonstrators (doing their PHDs) they always seemed to be working on papers with their supervisors.
I had published I think three papers before I finished my thesis, which was about normal for my subject and University. Being an experimental physicist with an industrial partner helped of course. When I worked as a research fellow in an EE department most of our PhDs had at least an Electronics Letter to their name by the time we prized them out, but most of their output was conference papers if I remember correctly.
I think it is/was unusual to go straight from PhD to lecturer without a period either in a related industry (if applicable) or as a post doc/RA/contract research fellow to build up experience, publications, contacts clout etc. I did that for a few years on grant rekated short term contracts, the money and job secuity was poor but I basically lead the student lifestyle for a few years and it put me where I am now, which is sunny California looking forward to a weekend at the beach, so can't really complain!
(Dr) Mervynp
I think it is/was unusual to go straight from PhD to lecturer without a period either in a related industry (if applicable) or as a post doc/RA/contract research fellow to build up experience, publications, contacts clout etc. I did that for a few years on grant rekated short term contracts, the money and job secuity was poor but I basically lead the student lifestyle for a few years and it put me where I am now, which is sunny California looking forward to a weekend at the beach, so can't really complain!
(Dr) Mervynp
I have done 10 years in industry since my PhD. I do very regular conference papers ( 3 or 4 a year at national an international conferences ) and trade journals but have had no need to try and publish in the academic journals. But I am now thinking about going into academia and the first bit of advice I got was not to bother applying as I had no peer refereed journals on my CV.
Considering they advertised for someone who had submitted or was near submission, not an experienced post doctoral I thought this was a big ask for most recent PhDs, thus the topic of the post. The lectureship was right in my areas of specialism which doesn't happen too often. i got a sense they had someone in mind becuase the line was; 'don't bother applying, you will be against people with a publication record'.
Considering they advertised for someone who had submitted or was near submission, not an experienced post doctoral I thought this was a big ask for most recent PhDs, thus the topic of the post. The lectureship was right in my areas of specialism which doesn't happen too often. i got a sense they had someone in mind becuase the line was; 'don't bother applying, you will be against people with a publication record'.
Edited by Four Cofffee on Saturday 31st July 21:05
Haven't done a Phd.
However, I had two peer-reviewed papers accepted by respected journel(co-written with my supervisor with my name on the lead) in addition to conference papers before I submitted my MPhil thesis.
I thought it's normal (for civil engineering?) because my supervisor really pushed me to get published ASAP. Now this post makes me wonder if I had an ambituous supervisor and it wasn't necessary afterall.
It was 8-9 years ago and I've been working with a engineering consultancy ever since. Now not very sure whether I should include these publications on my CV
However, I had two peer-reviewed papers accepted by respected journel(co-written with my supervisor with my name on the lead) in addition to conference papers before I submitted my MPhil thesis.
I thought it's normal (for civil engineering?) because my supervisor really pushed me to get published ASAP. Now this post makes me wonder if I had an ambituous supervisor and it wasn't necessary afterall.
It was 8-9 years ago and I've been working with a engineering consultancy ever since. Now not very sure whether I should include these publications on my CV
Yes, my missus did. She had several as part of her Ph.D and in the years immediately following. It does appear to be the case that some academics do take a rather sniffy view on peer reviewed papers - pretty much the 'green card' to getting a job.
I don't know what your field is but at the moment most universities i'm aware of are fighting tooth and nail just to keep the staff they've got. Some are comtemplating 50% overall departments staffing redundancy programmes.
Are you sure you want to get into academia. It's a tough place to be at the moment.
I don't know what your field is but at the moment most universities i'm aware of are fighting tooth and nail just to keep the staff they've got. Some are comtemplating 50% overall departments staffing redundancy programmes.
Are you sure you want to get into academia. It's a tough place to be at the moment.
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