Newsnight tonight BRAKE & Monbiot v Captain Gatso..?
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I gather from a friend in the BBC that Newsnight are covering BRAKEs campaign to halt the speed camera decline tonight.
Not finalised yet apparently, but BRAKE are due to be joined by George Monbiot - a car hating BRAKE apologist, and either Captain Gatso, or Claire Armstrong from SAFESPEED.
Not sure if they have one or not - but they should have a BiB representative since they will still operate speed checks even without the cameras - if the budget allows!
It's a shame that PH don't have a spokesperson to go to the table, but no doubt we can debate it here at length after the program!
Not finalised yet apparently, but BRAKE are due to be joined by George Monbiot - a car hating BRAKE apologist, and either Captain Gatso, or Claire Armstrong from SAFESPEED.
Not sure if they have one or not - but they should have a BiB representative since they will still operate speed checks even without the cameras - if the budget allows!
It's a shame that PH don't have a spokesperson to go to the table, but no doubt we can debate it here at length after the program!
Newsnight sent a reporter to BRAKE's little "anti disbandment of the local SCP" demonstration this lunchtime at Trowbridge (with the access on little - I went to have a look and the head count of adults was about 15)
Idris Francis was there being interviewed on camera, but I don't know who the camera belonged to.
As I said on the other thread, this demonstration was hardly worth any news organisation reporting.
Idris Francis was there being interviewed on camera, but I don't know who the camera belonged to.
As I said on the other thread, this demonstration was hardly worth any news organisation reporting.
A PH representitve isnt that bad an idea. Granted they would still need to be invited on. But there are not many people there to fight the corner of a motorist who enjoys driving, and doesnt look at there car as a white good on wheels. I think PH has a big enough user base to merit something like this. Although highly unlikely, I would feel happier if somebody was on programes aimed at this sort of debate that wasnt going to think as extremely as BRAKE, I know they do alot of good as well but I seem to disagree with more of what I here from them than I agree with.
Mill Wheel said:
streaky said:
With Moonbat there I'll wager that removing scameras will accelerate 'global warming' - Streaky
Why? How much CO2 does a camera give off when Captain Gatso attends to them then?.
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Clare Armstrong did a good job there I thought, quiet,dignified and stuck to her guns especially at the end getting the point over about cameras being ineffective against drunk drivers. Monbigot came over (accurately)as a bit of a tit, much more and he'd have been frothing at the mouth
Edited by Paul Dishman on Friday 20th August 23:03
Paul Dishman said:
Clare Armstrong did a good job there I thought, quiet,dignified and stuck to her guns especially at the end getting the point over about cameras being ineffective against drunk drivers. Monbigot came over (accurately)as a bit of a tit, much more and he'd have been frothing at the mouth
I think that this was a victory for Clare.
This Newsnight piece, and todays BRAKE insignificant sideshow at Trowbridge, has certainly done nothing to turn the tide against the demise of SCPs.
Being interested in such things, and having been at Trowbridge County Hall this morning, I was standing behind the cameraman as he shot that woman in the black leather jacket (sorry I ought to know her name but I don't) walking into shot and then the cameraman panned into the "crowd." It struck me then that, if there had been vast hoards of supporters, he would have panned to them first before he homed in on the 15 or so on the Council Office steps.
I can confirm to anybody who needs it confirmed that the "vast hoards" weren't there
In fact, I came away quite satisfied at the outcome. At the M4 protest in 2005, we got about 450 cars taking part. BRAKE managed to drum up support from about 15 adults plus a few kids.
One-nil, methinks
Paul Dishman said:
Clare Armstrong did a good job there I thought, quiet,dignified and stuck to her guns especially at the end getting the point over about cameras being ineffective against drunk drivers. Monbigot came over (accurately)as a bit of a tit, much more and he'd have been frothing at the mouth
Agreed,Edited by Paul Dishman on Friday 20th August 23:03
Anyone watching that would have to be impressed with Clare and her restraint with his repeated quoting of dodgy statistics, he was quite offensive in his delivery whereas she, wisely IMHO, gave him plenty of rope.
Monbiot has never heard of EuroNCAP ratings then?
Monbiot better go and get a lecture from Mad Max in his dungeon.
Nice of the Safe Speed Spokeswoman to mention driving standards.
Car Occupant and Motorcyclist Deaths, 1994-2002 by Dr. Jeremy Broughton of the TRL, commissioned by the DoT.
It's driving standards.
Sadly the mother of young Tyrice has had her loss diminished by the relative of the deceased from the swimming pool.
Monbiot better go and get a lecture from Mad Max in his dungeon.
Nice of the Safe Speed Spokeswoman to mention driving standards.
Car Occupant and Motorcyclist Deaths, 1994-2002 by Dr. Jeremy Broughton of the TRL, commissioned by the DoT.
It's driving standards.
Sadly the mother of young Tyrice has had her loss diminished by the relative of the deceased from the swimming pool.
I think Clare did well, but you can see the differance in media savy ways between a bigot like Monbiant who kept interupting when she was making salient points that shot his agruments away and Clare. The interviewer also was against the loss of cameras as she described safe speed as being happy at the removal, even when Clare expalined that they do not condone speeding she still had another dig later on.
The proceeding piece from the BBC was also bias, fimed against a busy road where they apparently found it difficult to cross, then uninterupted bile from Brake, all statistics provided by Brake, so no bias there then.
Overall good result on the subject for Clare
The proceeding piece from the BBC was also bias, fimed against a busy road where they apparently found it difficult to cross, then uninterupted bile from Brake, all statistics provided by Brake, so no bias there then.
Overall good result on the subject for Clare
Claire Armstrong is an ideal representative for an organisation like Safespeed, precisely because she looks like she wouldn't say boo to a goose, but has all the figures in her head.
If Safespeed instead had someone as shouty as Monbigot, they'd run the risk of coming over a bit Clarkson-ish.
If Safespeed instead had someone as shouty as Monbigot, they'd run the risk of coming over a bit Clarkson-ish.
motco said:
Presenter, Laura Kuenssberg (sp?) - not exactly unbiassed?
There's always bias to one side or the other, but I thought the presenter was ok. She didn't let them squabble over statistics which put Monbiot off a bit and he then started arguing against more police patrols on the road which sounded bizarrePaul Dishman said:
motco said:
Presenter, Laura Kuenssberg (sp?) - not exactly unbiassed?
There's always bias to one side or the other, but I thought the presenter was ok. She didn't let them squabble over statistics which put Monbiot off a bit and he then started arguing against more police patrols on the road which sounded bizarre1. Monbiot says his piece.
2. Presenter - "there you are Ms Armstrong, he's right isn't he?"
3. Clare picks Mombiot's argument to pieces
4. Presenter - "there you are, Mr Mombiot, she's right isn't she?"
And so on until its time for the next item.
rs1952 said:
Paul Dishman said:
motco said:
Presenter, Laura Kuenssberg (sp?) - not exactly unbiassed?
There's always bias to one side or the other, but I thought the presenter was ok. She didn't let them squabble over statistics which put Monbiot off a bit and he then started arguing against more police patrols on the road which sounded bizarre1. Monbiot says his piece.
2. Presenter - "there you are Ms Armstrong, he's right isn't he?"
3. Clare picks Mombiot's argument to pieces
4. Presenter - "there you are, Mr Mombiot, she's right isn't she?"
And so on until its time for the next item.
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