Traffic Lights and One way signs vs no right turn (legality)

[BrightYellowTVR]

I have a question regarding traffic lights that have small blue and white ahead only signs attached (look like one way signs) these are fitted on a roundabout near me, however are they enforcible in the same way that no right turn signs are???

Reason I ask is that a friend of mine had a fixed penalty £30 for turning right at a set of these and I don't feel this is correct, as effectivly they are saying you are entering a one way street (same sign) and if thats the cases it should mean you cannot turn left or right off a one way street which I know is not the case.

Would be gratefull for a clear steer on this as its bugging me.

Thanks, Jon

[14-7]

BrightYellowTVR said:

I have a question regarding traffic lights that have small blue and white ahead only signs attached (look like one way signs) these are fitted on a roundabout near me, however are they enforcible in the same way that no right turn signs are???

Reason I ask is that a friend of mine had a fixed penalty £30 for turning right at a set of these and I don't feel this is correct, as effectivly they are saying you are entering a one way street (same sign) and if thats the cases it should mean you cannot turn left or right off a one way street which I know is not the case.

Would be gratefull for a clear steer on this as its bugging me.

Thanks, Jon

A sign like you mention gives you a positive instruction. In other words you must do it. I'm sure you, I, and everyone else knows that given we have all read the Highway Code.

You must go ahead according to what you have mentioned.

[SS2.]

BrightYellowTVR said:

Reason I ask is that a friend of mine had a fixed penalty £30 for turning right at a set of these and I don't feel this is correct,

Failing to comply with a traffic sign (Diagram 606), contrary to s.36 Road Traffic Act 1988.

[BrightYellowTVR]

Thanks for the clarification.
Regards,
Jon

[tvrgit]

BrightYellowTVR said:

I have a question regarding traffic lights that have small blue and white ahead only signs attached (look like one way signs) these are fitted on a roundabout near me, however are they enforcible in the same way that no right turn signs are???

Reason I ask is that a friend of mine had a fixed penalty £30 for turning right at a set of these and I don't feel this is correct, as effectivly they are saying you are entering a one way street (same sign) and if thats the cases it should mean you cannot turn left or right off a one way street which I know is not the case.

Would be gratefull for a clear steer on this as its bugging me.

Thanks, Jon

Straight ahead white arrows on a blue background do NOT mean "you are entering a one-way street". They mean "proceed only in the direction shown".

provided that any necessary Traffic Regulation Order (to prohibit traffic from proceeding in any direction OTHER than the direction shown) has been duly made, the signs you mention are fully enforceable.

[weeredmetro]

Was the white arrow in a blue circle, or on a blue rectangle? In a circle means "Ahead only". In a rectangle means "one way street", and would be very unusual on a set of traffic lights.

[tvrgit]

weeredmetro said:

Was the white arrow in a blue circle, or on a blue rectangle? In a circle means "Ahead only". In a rectangle means "one way street", and would be very unusual on a set of traffic lights.

I don't think the "one way street" ones are permitted to be added as box signs to traffic lights. The "proceed in direction shown" signs defintely are. Could be wrong about the "one way" ones, don't have time to look it up just now, but I've never seen it in any design.

[BrightYellowTVR]

They're round signs as shown, happy with answers above thanks for the clarification.
Cheers, Jon

[Gren]

Wonder how many drivers out there (or in here for that matter) would know the difference between the two? Same symbol, different shaped sign.

[tvrgit]

They are probably waiting for "Highway Code - the Movie" to come out on DVD.

[Six Fiend]

tvrgit said:

They are probably waiting for "Highway Code - the Movie" to come out on DVD.

Now there's an idea...featuring Ry_B giving it vtec yo! in a number of situations...

[GreatGranny]

It will be a circular sign incorporated into the traffic light.

There is one that I pass through quite regularly in Sheffield and I always see someone indicating to turn right. I started giving them a quick hoot and pointing at the traffic signal as I undertook (it opens to 2 lanes at the approach to the junction but the inside is a bus lane) but quickly gave up after being stared at blankly and given the finger on some occasions.

[7db]

Think this is only a £30 non-endorsable ticket as opposed to a No Entry sign which would be a £60 + 3. Anyone know for sure (and can say what a no-right turn sign get you -- I'm assuming that's also non-endorsable).

[SS2.]

7db said:

Think this is only a £30 non-endorsable ticket as opposed to a No Entry sign which would be a £60 + 3. Anyone know for sure..

Some traffic sign offences are created by s.36 Road Traffic Act 1988.

Section 10 of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 confirms which signs are applied by s.36 RTA 1988, which are endorsable offences, and which are not.

No Entry (Diag 616) = contrary to s.36 RTA 1988, endorsable (£60 FPN).
White arrow in blue circle (Diag 606) = contrary to s.36 RTA 1988, not endorsable (£30 FPN).
No right turn (Diag 612) = contrary to Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, not endorsable (£30 FPN).

Edited by SS2. on Friday 12th November 09:38