Are Ferrari sandbagging ??

Are Ferrari sandbagging ??

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308gt4

Original Poster:

710 posts

261 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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It would seem that Ferrari are under some kind of instruction not to blow away the field this year as they are doing just enough to win and slow enough to keep some of the field with them.

I mean imagine if what Trulli did had been dispatched by Schumacher inside a lap or two it would have been even a worse shellacking than it was.

They even screw up Rubens' pitstop and he cruises home and the Schu has a broken exhaust and sets the fastest lap !!!

So who is pulling the strings, Bernie or Luca ??

luca brazzi

3,975 posts

266 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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308gt4 said:

So who is pulling the strings, Bernie or Luca ??
Not me, honest.

I know what you mean. I sometimes think Ferrari peeps are being told not to look so happy when they whoop the opposition.

LB

308gt4

Original Poster:

710 posts

261 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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but you have so much clout Luca

do you think the post race celebrations have been more subdued ?

When I see the tealady from Ferrari up on the stand it will all have gone a little far.........

McNab

1,627 posts

275 months

Wednesday 12th May 2004
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Quote from grandprix.com about the pit stop:

"One can argue that this took pressure off Michael but it was not a big deal given that Rubens would have been nearly six seconds behind Michael without the problem. Sorry, no conspiracy."

MS did his best time on lap 12, so no conspiracy over the broken exhaust either - both of them were apparently told to slow down while the telemetry was checked out (somewhere around lap 36 ? - can't remember).

I had expected Williams to be up there at the front, but for whatever reason they do seem to be marginally slower. Difficult to set up, and delicate brakes?

jamesc

2,820 posts

285 months

Wednesday 12th May 2004
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Ian,

Do you think Irvine was under-rated because Rubens just never seems to be on terms with Michael?

James

McNab

1,627 posts

275 months

Wednesday 12th May 2004
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James, that's a hard question to answer off the cuff !

Having re-charged my brain cells (with the usual difficulty) I think Rubens comes out on top. Eddie certainly had his flashes of brilliance, but he was too inconsistent.

If you think about it they both had (have) the same problem. Up one day and down the next. Maybe temprament, maybe circuit preference - or one of a hundred factors we know nothing about.

Eddie's car didn't seem to get enough attention at the beginning of his time with Ferrari, but that was eventually sorted out, and I certainly don't subscribe to the 'number 2 car conspiracy' theories which fly about nowadays!

Problem is, Michael just seems to get better and better...

condor

8,837 posts

249 months

Wednesday 12th May 2004
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McNab said:

Problem is, Michael just seems to get better and better...



Not everyone sees that as a problem

groomi

9,317 posts

244 months

Wednesday 12th May 2004
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Eddie was a great 'No.2' but when he had is shot at the title he blew it. No question he should have won that title and I'm sure he knows that too.

Must be very difficult to live with that feeling...

308gt4

Original Poster:

710 posts

261 months

Wednesday 12th May 2004
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Irvine was outdriven by Mika Salo after just 2 races and Salo had to slow down to let him win!!!

I liked Eddie as a colourful character but he was only an average F1 driver.

The Barnard car was a pig though so he had an excuse..

Frik

13,542 posts

244 months

Wednesday 12th May 2004
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I think it's a compliment to Ferrari that the moment there is the merest glint of a chink in their armour, we start asking if they're slowing down on purpose!

IMHO it is because they have played very safe with this year's car. Williams, McLaren and BAR have all gambled on new technology but it's only really paid off for BAR. Hence their excellent recent form.

308gt4

Original Poster:

710 posts

261 months

Friday 14th May 2004
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true Gaz but if they had to reduce revs to save the engine then why didn't the rest of the field catch up ?

It just underlines that they are sandbagging and can run the car at lower revs to make sure tehy win comfortably.

Imagine the speeds and distances they'd cover if they used the full potential

levensnevel

241 posts

273 months

Friday 14th May 2004
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I think Ross Brawn spilled the beans on that matter directly after the Spanish GP.
On a question from a dutch pitreporter he answered: we're quick when it matters ....
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levensnevel

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veewhy

708 posts

253 months

Friday 14th May 2004
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McNab said:
James, that's a hard question to answer off the cuff !

Having re-charged my brain cells (with the usual difficulty) I think Rubens comes out on top. Eddie certainly had his flashes of brilliance, but he was too inconsistent.

If you think about it they both had (have) the same problem. Up one day and down the next. Maybe temprament, maybe circuit preference - or one of a hundred factors we know nothing about.

Eddie's car didn't seem to get enough attention at the beginning of his time with Ferrari, but that was eventually sorted out, and I certainly don't subscribe to the 'number 2 car conspiracy' theories which fly about nowadays!

Problem is, Michael just seems to get better and better...


I put it down to their nationalities. They are all quick. It's just that the teutonic one is not a tempermental ulsterman or a passionate latino.