RE: Seeing Red
Wednesday 19th May 2004
Seeing Red
HMCE in red diesel clampdown in the valleys
Customs and Excise officers have seized seven vehicles running illegally on red diesel during an oils fraud investigation in the Heads of the Valleys area of south Wales.
Richard Welsford, Senior Business Manager for Customs in Wales, said: "This operation shows that Customs is serious about tackling the UK black market in red diesel, and committed to cracking down on those who use it illegally. Motorist s need to be aware of the real cost of buying cheap diesel. It puts legitimate filling stations out of business, puts honest motorist s at a disadvantage, and robs public services of funding ."
As part of a joint exercise with South Wales Police, customs officers stopped the drivers of 297 vehicles at Rhymney and Tredegar. Seven of these were found to have red diesel in their fuel tanks. The vehicles were restored on payment of a penalty. The combined penalties for the seven vehicles totalled £3,500.
Red diesel is normal road diesel that has a rebated level of duty primarily for use in farm vehicles. Red dye is added to distinguish its limited use.
Discussion
I was told some time ago by a North Wales garage owner that he was doing a good trade in renewing diesel fuel pumps because diesel with the red dye chemically removed has allegedly been on sale in North Wales, seemingly coming in through Holyhead and being sold cheaply to trusting drivers.
He said the dye removal process also removed the lubricity (his word) and this caused the pumps to seize. £800 for a Transit pump, I am told.
Other naughty chaps have been using central heating fuel with added oil in place of diesel. Allegedly.
>> Edited by Tafia on Wednesday 19th May 13:37
He said the dye removal process also removed the lubricity (his word) and this caused the pumps to seize. £800 for a Transit pump, I am told.
Other naughty chaps have been using central heating fuel with added oil in place of diesel. Allegedly.
>> Edited by Tafia on Wednesday 19th May 13:37
One thing that should be said is that the persons who are laundering the red diesel, and selling it on, are not local entrepeneurs, looking to make a few quid. They are organised, established criminals, who use the profits made from diesel excise fraud to fund drug importations, people smuggling and terrorism.
Trust me. I know what I'm on about with this type of criminality.
Trust me. I know what I'm on about with this type of criminality.
trouble is xxplod, the Im sure a lot of the general public feel they are already getting scammed by criminals, our govenment.
it is rapidly turning into motorist v government/police when it shouldnt be. If you can pull a fast one on the govt to save some money I bet most will.
15 years ago, maybee not , but today, yes. Whats petrol prices these days? 82p + per litre and the tax is waht about 75%?
it is rapidly turning into motorist v government/police when it shouldnt be. If you can pull a fast one on the govt to save some money I bet most will.
15 years ago, maybee not , but today, yes. Whats petrol prices these days? 82p + per litre and the tax is waht about 75%?
Don't get me wrong, changes to our tax system would go a long way to tackle a lot of organised criminality. VAT carousel fraud for example. When VAT was 8% it wasn't an issue. When it was 15% it becomes an attractive proposition. When it was raised to 17.5%, then it's well worth it.
I share most people's view that fuel tax is too high and should be lowered. I just want to point out that the people into this are not striking a blow for Joe Public against the Government, they are very nasty criminals indeed, out to line their own pockets and they don't care what misery they leave in their wake.
There are a great many former armed robbers, drug smugglers who have turned their hand to excise evasion. Mainly becasue the maximum sentence for an excise offence is 7 years, and they feel they have a better chance of getting off on a tax evasion charge than a drug smuggling charge.
It is quite fair to say, that when a person buys cheap diesel, there is every chance they are contributing to the availability of drugs on the streets they live in. As I said, I'm not scaremongering, I know.
I share most people's view that fuel tax is too high and should be lowered. I just want to point out that the people into this are not striking a blow for Joe Public against the Government, they are very nasty criminals indeed, out to line their own pockets and they don't care what misery they leave in their wake.
There are a great many former armed robbers, drug smugglers who have turned their hand to excise evasion. Mainly becasue the maximum sentence for an excise offence is 7 years, and they feel they have a better chance of getting off on a tax evasion charge than a drug smuggling charge.
It is quite fair to say, that when a person buys cheap diesel, there is every chance they are contributing to the availability of drugs on the streets they live in. As I said, I'm not scaremongering, I know.
xxplod is totally correct. The image of a farmer cocking a snoot at the revenue by running his car on fuel from his own bulk red diesel tank is no longer accurate.
These criminals are part of the filth who permeate our land peddling drugs - do NOT buy so-called 'cheap fuel' from anyone as the 'cheapness' is sponsored by the death of others.
These criminals are part of the filth who permeate our land peddling drugs - do NOT buy so-called 'cheap fuel' from anyone as the 'cheapness' is sponsored by the death of others.
nickwilcock said:
xxplod is totally correct. The image of a farmer cocking a snoot at the revenue by running his car on fuel from his own bulk red diesel tank is no longer accurate.
These criminals are part of the filth who permeate our land peddling drugs - do NOT buy so-called 'cheap fuel' from anyone as the 'cheapness' is sponsored by the death of others.
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xxplod said:
One thing that should be said is that the persons who are laundering the red diesel, and selling it on, are not local entrepeneurs, looking to make a few quid. They are organised, established criminals, who use the profits made from diesel excise fraud to fund drug importations, people smuggling and terrorism.
Trust me. I know what I'm on about with this type of criminality.
I do trust you on this sir.
I think the clue is the port of Holyhead. We can always tell when a ferry has berthed. We see a convoy of Irish meat lorries zooming along the A55.
I have often wondered how many terrorists have driven past our house, which is quite close to the A55.
superlightr said:
trouble is xxplod, the Im sure a lot of the general public feel they are already getting scammed by criminals, our govenment.
it is rapidly turning into motorist v government/police when it shouldnt be. If you can pull a fast one on the govt to save some money I bet most will.
15 years ago, maybee not , but today, yes. Whats petrol prices these days? 82p + per litre and the tax is waht about 75%?
If you look at the Bogush I Mann site here www.bogush.fsnet.co.uk/ you will see the sums which show the tax and duty actually adds around 350% to the basic cost of petrol. Check it out. 18 pence per litre is the basic cost of petrol. Add 350% and you get the total pump price of 81p at present. Cheers Bogush
nickwilcock said:
juk - if I knew what the heck you were trying to say, I'd respond. As I don't, I can't.
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