Do you trust the Police? **
Discussion
** obviously there are many fine examples of the profession being performed 100% in the spirit of the law, particulary many of my e-friends here on PH.. and equally obviously I am not casting doubt onto *their* noble character. However the General question remains;-
DO YOU TRUST the Police? because I don't. I am afraid they are being manipulated for political ends, even though the Police themselves do not like it, they are but instruments of the pay masters.
Can you trust their integrity when there are targets and partnerships and money involved?
Is it not time that the Police were de-politicised, and allowed to continue the great work of protecting people rather than trying to raise cash for a corrupt system?
C
DO YOU TRUST the Police? because I don't. I am afraid they are being manipulated for political ends, even though the Police themselves do not like it, they are but instruments of the pay masters.
Can you trust their integrity when there are targets and partnerships and money involved?
Is it not time that the Police were de-politicised, and allowed to continue the great work of protecting people rather than trying to raise cash for a corrupt system?
C
I don't have any problem with the police. In fact they probably worry about me because I make a point of saying hello to any BiB on the street and often wave at them when I'm driving. I reckon most of them need all the encouragement they can get. They need to know that we think they are people (as opposed to pigs or assorted body-parts), and deserve the coutesies that should bring as a result. I try to go the extra 1760 yards because of the disrespect they receive from others.
My reasoning is that we should be encouraging a visible BiB presence because they are human and thus are unliely to slavishly follow numbers, but rather to assess one's behaviour in an appropriate context.
Granted that some are harsher than others but if you do get collared not only have you (probably) broken the law, but you are likely to have done it in a potentially dangerous (to others) fashion.
Community officers on the other hand can (go away). If there's a coper's job to be done, get a copper to do it. Otherwise get these people into a bridge club to pass their time.
My reasoning is that we should be encouraging a visible BiB presence because they are human and thus are unliely to slavishly follow numbers, but rather to assess one's behaviour in an appropriate context.
Granted that some are harsher than others but if you do get collared not only have you (probably) broken the law, but you are likely to have done it in a potentially dangerous (to others) fashion.
Community officers on the other hand can (go away). If there's a coper's job to be done, get a copper to do it. Otherwise get these people into a bridge club to pass their time.
Agree with Archie - I was married to a copper for 10 years and the job changes with each government. Most police join the force for life and it is not possible to go off and do something else because you dont like the current gov's policies. You just have to grit your teeth and wait it out.
Big_M said:Rather worryingly I'm still awake to ask why you're up at this time of night. I thought you were dying.
Agree with Archie - I was married to a copper for 10 years and the job changes with each government. Most police join the force for life and it is not possible to go off and do something else because you dont like the current gov's policies. You just have to grit your teeth and wait it out.
V8 Archie said:
I don't have any problem with the police. In fact they probably worry about me because I make a point of saying hello to any BiB on the street and often wave at them when I'm driving. I reckon most of them need all the encouragement they can get. They need to know that we think they are people (as opposed to pigs or assorted body-parts), and deserve the coutesies that should bring as a result. I try to go the extra 1760 yards because of the disrespect they receive from others.
My reasoning is that we should be encouraging a visible BiB presence because they are human and thus are unliely to slavishly follow numbers, but rather to assess one's behaviour in an appropriate context.
Granted that some are harsher than others but if you do get collared not only have you (probably) broken the law, but you are likely to have done it in a potentially dangerous (to others) fashion.
V8 Archie, Agree with everything you have said except perhaps the last bit:
[quote]Community officers on the other hand can (go away). If there's a copper's job to be done, get a copper to do it. Otherwise get these people into a bridge club to pass their time.[/quote]
Don't get me wrong, I am NOT one and don't know any, but I think they have their place, after all how many policemen do you now see "on the beat," NOT ANY where I live.
Perhaps,Community Officer could be extended to become a "first step" into the police service, a kind of "apprentice." Maybe a good place to get new young recruits and "evaluate them" before progressing?
>> Edited by 8Pack on Friday 21st May 03:22
>> Edited by 8Pack on Friday 21st May 03:24
V8 Archie said:Yeah still am - have to get up in the middle of the night to clear the airways and cough up another lung. Should be going back to work tomorrow tho' - getting bored and I don't get any sick pay as I only started with this company 4 months ago.
Rather worryingly I'm still awake to ask why you're up at this time of night. I thought you were dying.
V8 Archie said:
... I try to go the extra 1760 yards because of the disrespect they receive from others.
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I hope you still feel this way after being arrested for failing to provide a metric equivalent
. And, yes, I feel that the police "service" has been greatly over-politicised at senior ranks level, not the BiB, and certainly not those here.
In passing, I wonder if, when it was a "force", senior officers used to apologise to people who had been let down, by saying, "Mr/Mrs X did not receive the force they were entitled to!"?
Streaky
>> Edited by streaky on Friday 21st May 08:39
I have nothing against police officers (there are twats in every job), the greatest majority are clear headed guys/gals who want to make an improvement.
My problem is with the over politicized upper ranks who thinks that mojor offences committed by a minority person (drug deaing etc) are to be overlooked BUT the clean upstanding member of the public is smashed with all the force of the law for something so minor that even the Nazis wouldn't have bothered!
Good BiBs keep up the good work, and remember scum floats at the top of a liquid! Brownshirtführer as a typical example!!!
My problem is with the over politicized upper ranks who thinks that mojor offences committed by a minority person (drug deaing etc) are to be overlooked BUT the clean upstanding member of the public is smashed with all the force of the law for something so minor that even the Nazis wouldn't have bothered!
Good BiBs keep up the good work, and remember scum floats at the top of a liquid! Brownshirtführer as a typical example!!!
Just a point of view froma BiB PHer:
Sometimes we get it wrong...
Sometimes we are rude...
Sometimes we are disinterested...
But we are (only) human.
People are quicker to complain than they are to praise (in most walks of life really), so if you are dissatisfied with your treatment by the Police, complain. But if we do occasionally get it right, let us know. It helps to keep you going sometimes when someone says "Thank you".
The majority of us do try to do the right thing as much as possible.
Sometimes we get it wrong...
Sometimes we are rude...
Sometimes we are disinterested...
But we are (only) human.
People are quicker to complain than they are to praise (in most walks of life really), so if you are dissatisfied with your treatment by the Police, complain. But if we do occasionally get it right, let us know. It helps to keep you going sometimes when someone says "Thank you".
The majority of us do try to do the right thing as much as possible.
Puggit - not at all. I'm sure many other PHers have bosses they simply can't abide. As I've posted elsewhere, there are bits of the job we'd rather not do, but sometimes you just have to grit your teeth and get on with it.
Anyway, off to bed now... I'm actually on nights and have only just got home after dealing with a drink driver who was a Grade "A" T0$$3r! And back at work 5pm til 3am tonight... D'oh!
Anyway, off to bed now... I'm actually on nights and have only just got home after dealing with a drink driver who was a Grade "A" T0$$3r! And back at work 5pm til 3am tonight... D'oh!
8Pack said:Nor here, but I consider that to be a separate issue that would be best resolved by increasing the number of BiB rather than getting a bunch of self-important busy-bodies with no powers to roam the streets hassling people.
Don't get me wrong, I am NOT one and don't know any, but I think they have their place, after all how many policemen do you now see "on the beat," NOT ANY where I live.
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