Role Of Trafpols - You Decided
Discussion
Trafpols deals with many things and are subject to rules and Guidelines on what they should and shouldnt deal with.
What would you like to see Trafpols doing?
Please put them in an order of importance from 1 to 5.It will be interesting to see what people think we actually do and what they want us to do.
What would you like to see Trafpols doing?
Please put them in an order of importance from 1 to 5.It will be interesting to see what people think we actually do and what they want us to do.
tonyrec said:
Trafpols deals with many things and are subject to rules and Guidelines on what they should and shouldnt deal with.
What would you like to see Trafpols doing?
Please put them in an order of importance from 1 to 5.It will be interesting to see what people think we actually do and what they want us to do.
1) Accident scenes: ensuring safety and information gathering
2) Criminals in traffic (spotting and dealing with joyriders etc)
3) Spotting dangers in the traffic - delivering road side education and enforcement to road users as required in proportion to danger caused
4) Supporting other officers with rapid response
5) Public education about the safe use of the roads
That's my quick ideal list (having been thinking about it for all of ten minutes) I've deliberately excluded "overhead" activities, like paperwork and giving evidence. If I've forgotten something obvious and important, feel free to point it out.
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
1 - Manning camera vans
2 - hiding behind bushes with hand held radar
3 - Rasing revenue for the government
4 - Procecuting drivers for no screen wash
5 - Supporting trafic wardens in their duties.
Oh sorry, thought I was working for the government for a moment there.
Seriously though I would put 1 down to 5. Accidents are an unfortunate side effect of bad driving and badly maintained vehicles and I would like to think that traffic police would prefer that that is not why they joined.
2 - hiding behind bushes with hand held radar
3 - Rasing revenue for the government
4 - Procecuting drivers for no screen wash
5 - Supporting trafic wardens in their duties.
Oh sorry, thought I was working for the government for a moment there.
Seriously though I would put 1 down to 5. Accidents are an unfortunate side effect of bad driving and badly maintained vehicles and I would like to think that traffic police would prefer that that is not why they joined.
Hi! Tonyrec,
My list has mainly motorways in mind but some will also apply elsewhere:
1)The safety of the road system itself, i.e. is it safe for the road users, Debri? Damage, flood, Wideload, Etc.
2)Accidents and "people in need of help" and their safety. Support and safety of other emergency services.
3)Road Users causing undue danger to others. (not necessarily speeding of itself, more on manner, etc of driving in the conditions applying).
4)Criminal activity.
Short list I know, but I have tried to compartmentalise each as much as possible.
Cheers!
>> Edited by 8Pack on Monday 24th May 02:32
My list has mainly motorways in mind but some will also apply elsewhere:
1)The safety of the road system itself, i.e. is it safe for the road users, Debri? Damage, flood, Wideload, Etc.
2)Accidents and "people in need of help" and their safety. Support and safety of other emergency services.
3)Road Users causing undue danger to others. (not necessarily speeding of itself, more on manner, etc of driving in the conditions applying).
4)Criminal activity.
Short list I know, but I have tried to compartmentalise each as much as possible.
Cheers!
>> Edited by 8Pack on Monday 24th May 02:32
The bottom line is that police officers are there to uphold the law, so that has to be a priority, every thing else becomes secondary.
1. Uphold traffic laws, with particular attention to safety, ie drink driving, dangerous driving, no licence, insurance or MOT, stolen vehicles, speed (inappropriate), etc;
2. Ensuring the free flow of traffic by clearing obstructions as fast as possible. Accidents, break downs, bad parking etc;
3. Pursuit of car thieves, armed robbers etc; Trafpol are the only ones trained to do so.
4. Escort of other emergency vehicles to or from the scene of an accident.
5. To maintain public confidence in the police force in general, by using discretion where called for rather than a slavic adherence to the minutae of the Road Traffic Act. A mild bollocking can yield better results than an easy prosecution.
Good question, Tony. Here's one for you.
What are the top 5 guidelines for ordinary "citizen" drivers?
1. Uphold traffic laws, with particular attention to safety, ie drink driving, dangerous driving, no licence, insurance or MOT, stolen vehicles, speed (inappropriate), etc;
2. Ensuring the free flow of traffic by clearing obstructions as fast as possible. Accidents, break downs, bad parking etc;
3. Pursuit of car thieves, armed robbers etc; Trafpol are the only ones trained to do so.
4. Escort of other emergency vehicles to or from the scene of an accident.
5. To maintain public confidence in the police force in general, by using discretion where called for rather than a slavic adherence to the minutae of the Road Traffic Act. A mild bollocking can yield better results than an easy prosecution.
Good question, Tony. Here's one for you.
What are the top 5 guidelines for ordinary "citizen" drivers?
safespeed said:
1) Accident scenes: ensuring safety and information gathering
2) Criminals in traffic (spotting and dealing with joyriders etc)
3) Spotting dangers in the traffic - delivering road side education and enforcement to road users as required in proportion to danger caused
4) Supporting other officers with rapid response
5) Public education about the safe use of the roads
I agree with 2,3,4,5 but would move them to 1,2,3,4
Accident scenes should be dealt with by specialist accident teams tasked with safety and figuring out what went wrong. Trafpol association with this task should be through SS's 4 above, providing rapid response but because they are likely to be there first.
Sean
Tony
Didn't your Robert Peel and Phillip Mayne set it out when i/c your mob darn sarf (and the rest of the Country).
The prevention and detection of crime,
The preservation of life and property, and
upholding the Queens Peace.
Forget all these Force Objectives PC Mumbo jumbo etc.
Stick to the above three diligently and t'job l'be reet.
DVD
Didn't your Robert Peel and Phillip Mayne set it out when i/c your mob darn sarf (and the rest of the Country).
The prevention and detection of crime,
The preservation of life and property, and
upholding the Queens Peace.
Forget all these Force Objectives PC Mumbo jumbo etc.
Stick to the above three diligently and t'job l'be reet.
DVD
Dwight VanDriver said:
Tony
Didn't your Robert Peel and Phillip Mayne set it out when i/c your mob darn sarf (and the rest of the Country).
The prevention and detection of crime,
The preservation of life and property, and
upholding the Queens Peace.
Forget all these Force Objectives PC Mumbo jumbo etc.
Stick to the above three diligently and t'job l'be reet.
DVD
Nail on the head!!
I would like to see traffic police transferred to other parts of the force and the job of clearing up accidents and handing out tickets given to a less costly army of highway patrols. It is quite ludicrous to pay fully trained police to sweep up broken glass and write endless reams of meningless evaluations of road accidents.
No ammount of police presence can ever change the accident rate and no ammount of enforecement can ever have any effect on the number of deaths.
The money saved by my proposal could be best spent on developing better crash protection and training the idiotic planners of towns that pedestrians and cars should wherever possible be separated. These 2 actions might actually start to bring the death toll down.
No ammount of police presence can ever change the accident rate and no ammount of enforecement can ever have any effect on the number of deaths.
The money saved by my proposal could be best spent on developing better crash protection and training the idiotic planners of towns that pedestrians and cars should wherever possible be separated. These 2 actions might actually start to bring the death toll down.
cptsideways said:
1) Ensuring rapid access to the Donut shop
2) Capturing donut thiefs
3) Watching out for other drivers eating excess donuts
4) Safe care of excess donuts
5) Advising of safe methods to eat them on the move
ok really, as per pauls but maybe switch em around a bit
You missed out the one about tonning up the hard shoulder to reach donuts in distress!
Personally - cannot improve on "Mad Jock's" list!
MadJock - here are my (personal) top 5 guidelines for ordinary "citizen" drivers:
1. Don't drink and drive (or use drugs and drive).
2. Get out of the way of the liveried Police (or other emergency service) vehicle that's behind you with the blue roof lights, blue grille lamps, headlamp flashers and sirens going...
3. Don't have a go at the PC when you get stopped. We don't stop people for nothing, then make something up (although we are occasionally mistaken). If the PC is out of order with you, grin and bear it, go home, have a cup of tea, then if you have a valid complaint, get it dealt with officially.
4. Use the correct lane on the motorway.
5. Don't drive around with front fog lights on, then say "They're not fog lights, they're driving lights" or "I didn't know they were switched on" or "I don't know where the switch is" when you get stopped! (And the same sort of thing for getting stopped for not wearing a seatbelt/using a mobile phone etc ("I was wearing it" or "I was just scratching my head", even when it's crystal clear on video...))
And just for good measure, if you're an uninsured scumbag chav in an unregistered shed, don't drive. Because I WILL stop you, I WILL confirm your ID, and I WILL report you for every single offence I can find. Fine upstanding members of the community, will however, benefit from my discretion! (Perhaps this should have been number 1...)
>> Edited by WMHV70 on Monday 24th May 13:53
>> Edited by WMHV70 on Monday 24th May 13:53
1. Don't drink and drive (or use drugs and drive).
2. Get out of the way of the liveried Police (or other emergency service) vehicle that's behind you with the blue roof lights, blue grille lamps, headlamp flashers and sirens going...
3. Don't have a go at the PC when you get stopped. We don't stop people for nothing, then make something up (although we are occasionally mistaken). If the PC is out of order with you, grin and bear it, go home, have a cup of tea, then if you have a valid complaint, get it dealt with officially.
4. Use the correct lane on the motorway.
5. Don't drive around with front fog lights on, then say "They're not fog lights, they're driving lights" or "I didn't know they were switched on" or "I don't know where the switch is" when you get stopped! (And the same sort of thing for getting stopped for not wearing a seatbelt/using a mobile phone etc ("I was wearing it" or "I was just scratching my head", even when it's crystal clear on video...))
And just for good measure, if you're an uninsured scumbag chav in an unregistered shed, don't drive. Because I WILL stop you, I WILL confirm your ID, and I WILL report you for every single offence I can find. Fine upstanding members of the community, will however, benefit from my discretion! (Perhaps this should have been number 1...)
>> Edited by WMHV70 on Monday 24th May 13:53
>> Edited by WMHV70 on Monday 24th May 13:53
WMHV70 said:
And just for good measure, if you're an uninsured scumbag chav in an unregistered shed, don't drive. Because I WILL stop you, I WILL confirm your ID, and I WILL report you for every single offence I can find.
Great sentiment and wholly agree with your stance, but if some scrote is going to drive around like that, what penalties do you propose to stop him doing it again? These fine folk drive round unlicenced anyway! (Not being smartarsed, interested in your opinion)
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