DO MOTORISTS DESERVE EVERYTHING THEY GET?
Discussion
nonegreen said:
No matter how you pontificate, wrap it up or manipulate the facts. The truth is you cannot park in front of a dropped kerb entrance and be in any concievable way right. If you do it outside my house then the consequenses are going to be severe, see Gone's list, all options are possible.
bogush said:
Police Editorial said:
There are well over
thirty million motorists in Britain,
and they form a powerful political
lobby. It is this irresistible
force that......
Has been demanding thousands of speed cameras and wholesale arbitrary speed limit cuts on safe roads?!
Police Editorial said:
Governments will always bow to
the motoring lobby
So that's why we've got thousands of speed cameras and wholesale arbitrary speed limit cuts on safe roads.
gone said:
Is it any wonder this country is going the way it is when that is the reaction, apparently supported by the majority of contributors, of a supposedly pro-motoring policeman on a supposedly pro motoring forum.
Like I said, Bogush,
Best not park in front of a dropped kerb.
Now have you donned your anorak yet for the next particularly boring installment over tedious minor road traffic infringements.
GROW UP BOGUSH and come out of your hermit hole to join the real world
Did someone mention the Real World?
In the Real World we have the authorities ignoring the guidelines for speed limit setting (85th percentile rule).
In the Real World we have the authorities ignoring the guidelines for speed limit enforcement (those travelling markedly in excess of a reasonable speed for the road and the conditions).
In the Real World we have the authorities illegally applying reduced limits.
In the Real World we have motorists denied the right to silence, the right not to incriminate themselves, the right to a fair trial and proportionate punishment.......
In the Real World we have congestion charging levied on the effects of congestion engineering, parking fines levied on the consequences of reduced parking provision, VAT levied on fuel duties on fuel wasted due to traffic "calming"..................
Anyone stopped to wonder why?
Anyone ever seen a "Speed Kills, some people think, but others argue that concentrating on speed has actually caused an increase in deaths" poster?
Anyone ever seen a cycling or rail activist post a post supporting the motor car because they actually use cars and find them useful for some of their journeys?
But what do you get from motorists?
The law clearly states what is and isn't illegal with respect to obstruction.
OK, admittedly there are grey areas as to where exactly the borderlines lie:
What is "wilfully", what counts as actual obstruction, how long does the actual obstruction have to continue for, does it cover access to the road from a drive as well as progress along the road............
But I wouldn't want to be accused of being a pedantic anorak.
But, because some motorists have been inconvenienced by actual obstruction, or even trespass and criminal damage, for which the actual obstruction laws and others can be used, motorists are willing to turn a blind eye to obstruction law to be used against anyone parking anywhere, regardless of them acting legally, and regardless of them not causing an obstruction.
In fact, they are willing to support such misuse of the law.
Did anyone EVER read:
ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE: GUN PROHIBITION IN ENGLAND AND
SOME LESSONS FOR CIVIL LIBERTIES IN AMERICA
I. Introduction
Is it possible for a nation to go from wide-open freedom for a civil liberty, to near-total destruction of that liberty, in just a few decades? "Yes," warn many American civil libertarians, arguing that allegedly "reasonable" restrictions on civil liberty today will start the nation down "the slippery slope" to severe repression in the future.[3] In response, proponents of today's reasonable restrictions argue that the jeremiads about slippery slopes are unrealistic or even paranoid.[4]
This Essay aims to refine the understanding of slippery slopes by examining a particular nation that did slide all the way down the slippery slope.(p.400) When the twentieth century began, the right to arms in Great Britain was robust, and subject to virtually no restrictions. As the century closes, the right has been almost obliterated. In studying the destruction of the British right to arms, this Essay draws conclusions about how slippery slopes operate in real life, and about what kinds of conditions increase or decrease the risk that the first steps down a hill will turn into a slide down a slippery slope.
For those of you who think it's about guns:
For purposes of this Essay, the reader will not be asked to make a judgement about the righteousness of the (former) British right to arms or the wisdom of current British gun prohibitions and controls. Instead, the object is simply to examine how a right that is widely respected and unrestricted can, one "reasonable" step at a time, be extinguished. This Essay pays particular attention to how the public's "rights consciousness," which forms such a strong barrier against repressive laws, can weaken and then disappear. The investigation of the British experience offers some insights about the current gun control debate in the United States, and also about ongoing debates over other civil liberties. This Essay does not require that the reader have any affection for the British right to arms; presumably, the reader does have affection for some civil liberties, and the Essay aims to discover principles about how slippery slopes operate. These principles can be applied to any debate where slippery slopes are an issue..........
www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html
(My emphasis.)
Read it all the way to the end:
And weep.
For ye know not what ye do!
>>> Edited by bogush on Monday 12th July 23:39
On the one hand:
On the other he seems to think that the full weight of of the law should be [mis]used to illegally prosecute someone parking across an unused driveway and causing no obstruction.
I rest my case, M'Lud.
nonegreen said:
It is really quite ludicrous to have an expensive trained policeman even involved in RTAs.
On the other he seems to think that the full weight of of the law should be [mis]used to illegally prosecute someone parking across an unused driveway and causing no obstruction.
I rest my case, M'Lud.
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