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The new PH'ers on the 'Cumbria Silly Camera Partnership' Forum have really livened up the site. Well done chaps.
Mr. 'Speedfinder-General' Callaghan has been having a hard time of it and now there are questions he probably could but definately won't answer.
Anyone who hasn't seen this should have a look and, hopefully, register and join in.
Mr. 'Speedfinder-General' Callaghan has been having a hard time of it and now there are questions he probably could but definately won't answer.
Anyone who hasn't seen this should have a look and, hopefully, register and join in.
From a serving trafpol on that forum
The negative consequences of exceeding the speed limit
1. Less time to react.
2. Less likely to concentrate.
3. Aggression/ Intimidatory behaviour.
4. Tailgaiting.
5. Discourtesy.
6. Impatience.
7. Lazy and inconsiderate driving.
8. Less safe environment for pedestrians and cyclists.
9. Anti social inconsiderate behaviour through villages and residential streets.
10. Less fuel efficient (personal and environmental costs).
11. Cause more traffic jams - false time saving concept.
12. Tendency to ignore rear view.
13. Increased risk of side swipe especially by higher excess speeders due to high closing speed and not being seen.
14. Increased dangers as collision resulting from 13 above will most likely result in more serious injury.
15. Probably more involvement in accidents.
16. Definitely more serious accidents.
17. More likely to be held responsible for accidents, and must always theoretically share a proportion of blame.
18. More likely to lose driving licence.
The negative consequences of exceeding the speed limit
1. Less time to react.
2. Less likely to concentrate.
3. Aggression/ Intimidatory behaviour.
4. Tailgaiting.
5. Discourtesy.
6. Impatience.
7. Lazy and inconsiderate driving.
8. Less safe environment for pedestrians and cyclists.
9. Anti social inconsiderate behaviour through villages and residential streets.
10. Less fuel efficient (personal and environmental costs).
11. Cause more traffic jams - false time saving concept.
12. Tendency to ignore rear view.
13. Increased risk of side swipe especially by higher excess speeders due to high closing speed and not being seen.
14. Increased dangers as collision resulting from 13 above will most likely result in more serious injury.
15. Probably more involvement in accidents.
16. Definitely more serious accidents.
17. More likely to be held responsible for accidents, and must always theoretically share a proportion of blame.
18. More likely to lose driving licence.
me, there's a turn up for the books 
cuneus said:
From a serving trafpol on that forum
The negative consequences of exceeding the speed limit
1. Less time to react.
2. Less likely to concentrate.
3. Aggression/ Intimidatory behaviour.
4. Tailgaiting.
5. Discourtesy.
6. Impatience.
7. Lazy and inconsiderate driving.
8. Less safe environment for pedestrians and cyclists.
9. Anti social inconsiderate behaviour through villages and residential streets.
10. Less fuel efficient (personal and environmental costs).
11. Cause more traffic jams - false time saving concept.
12. Tendency to ignore rear view.
13. Increased risk of side swipe especially by higher excess speeders due to high closing speed and not being seen.
14. Increased dangers as collision resulting from 13 above will most likely result in more serious injury.
15. Probably more involvement in accidents.
16. Definitely more serious accidents.
17. More likely to be held responsible for accidents, and must always theoretically share a proportion of blame.
18. More likely to lose driving licence.
*cough* Bullshit! *cough*
there is so much wrong with that list...
>> Edited by paolow on Wednesday 14th July 17:27
kevinday said:
I was the first to answer the 18 points, I sign on as Johny Foreigner on that site. As Cooperman says, do go and look, feel free to give them a hard time, Cooperman and I asked some rather basic questions last week, neither of us have received answers yet.
Bet you can't work out who I am
I agree with every point on the list..
I also agree that speeding is exciting and adrenalin rushes are addictive...
I must say though, I rarely speed in my private car and almost never overtake unless on dual carraigeways...I just dont think you make enough progress in a car.
Now on my motorcycle which weights 220kgs and has 164bhp, I overtake whenever it's safe and legal to do so. I make real progress on two wheels and get to the front of queues etc...overtaking one car at a time on a busy road is no problem on a bike, especially if ridden in a responsible manner, and being courteous to drivers who have assisted my progress...
It's just a different world in a car..people who moved over for my bike, wave back at me to acknowledge my acknowledgement of their courtesty etc etc, suddenly turn into Mr
if I overtake in a car..
Street
I also agree that speeding is exciting and adrenalin rushes are addictive...
I must say though, I rarely speed in my private car and almost never overtake unless on dual carraigeways...I just dont think you make enough progress in a car.
Now on my motorcycle which weights 220kgs and has 164bhp, I overtake whenever it's safe and legal to do so. I make real progress on two wheels and get to the front of queues etc...overtaking one car at a time on a busy road is no problem on a bike, especially if ridden in a responsible manner, and being courteous to drivers who have assisted my progress...
It's just a different world in a car..people who moved over for my bike, wave back at me to acknowledge my acknowledgement of their courtesty etc etc, suddenly turn into Mr
if I overtake in a car.. Street
paolow said:
From a serving trafpol on that forum
The negative consequences of exceeding the speed limit
1. Less time to react.
2. Less likely to concentrate.
3. Aggression/ Intimidatory behaviour.
4. Tailgaiting.
5. Discourtesy.
6. Impatience.
7. Lazy and inconsiderate driving.
8. Less safe environment for pedestrians and cyclists.
9. Anti social inconsiderate behaviour through villages and residential streets.
10. Less fuel efficient (personal and environmental costs).
11. Cause more traffic jams - false time saving concept.
12. Tendency to ignore rear view.
13. Increased risk of side swipe especially by higher excess speeders due to high closing speed and not being seen.
14. Increased dangers as collision resulting from 13 above will most likely result in more serious injury.
15. Probably more involvement in accidents.
16. Definitely more serious accidents.
17. More likely to be held responsible for accidents, and must always theoretically share a proportion of blame.
18. More likely to lose driving licence.
*cough* Bullshit! *cough*
there is so much wrong with that list...
>> Edited by paolow on Wednesday 14th July 17:27
He got number 2 correct for the wrong reason. There is much less time to concentrate on the road conditions 'cos we are watching our bloody speedo all the time.
1. Less time to react.
True. Somewhat offset by the fact that you should never be driving so quickly that you cannot stop in the distance you can see.
2. Less likely to concentrate.
Incorrect. Attention wanders when driving slowly, much more concentration required to drive quickly.
3. Aggression/ Intimidatory behaviour.
Driving like a twat can be performed at any speed. Fast driving and dangerous driving are not synonymous. If it were so the Police/fire/Ambulance services would not be permitted to exceed the limit.
4. Tailgaiting.
See number 3
5. Discourtesy.
See number 3
6. Impatience.
See number 3
7. Lazy and inconsiderate driving.
Sigh...see number 3
8. Less safe environment for pedestrians and cyclists.
If you are speeding in a built up area then yes...see number 3
9. Anti social inconsiderate behaviour through villages and residential streets.
Number 3 anyone?
10. Less fuel efficient (personal and environmental costs).
Yep, can't really disagree there.
11. Cause more traffic jams - false time saving concept.
A huge generalisation. Driving too quickly on a motorway and not paying attention will inevtably lead to an emergency braking scenario which ripples back and causes a jam. Simply speeding does not cause this.
12. Tendency to ignore rear view.
If I'm speeding, I pay more attentnion to rear view, as well as bridges, slip roads etc..
13. Increased risk of side swipe especially by higher excess speeders due to high closing speed and not being seen.
Should not have excessive closing speed. Blasting past something in the adjacenet lane at 120mph is number 3 teritory.
14. Increased dangers as collision resulting from 13 above will most likely result in more serious injury.
See number 16
15. Probably more involvement in accidents.
"Probably"? Our expert is unsure, and is hedging his bets. He's wrong anyway as Pauls data shows, the safest drivers on the road drive faster than average.
16. Definitely more serious accidents.
Yea cannaa break the laws of physics. Hit something harder and it's going to hurt more.
17. More likely to be held responsible for accidents, and must always theoretically share a proportion of blame.
Only if speeding was a contributory factor surely?
18. More likely to lose driving licence.
Yes, because of course "speed kills" and all that exceed the limit are axe wielding murderers.
True. Somewhat offset by the fact that you should never be driving so quickly that you cannot stop in the distance you can see.
2. Less likely to concentrate.
Incorrect. Attention wanders when driving slowly, much more concentration required to drive quickly.
3. Aggression/ Intimidatory behaviour.
Driving like a twat can be performed at any speed. Fast driving and dangerous driving are not synonymous. If it were so the Police/fire/Ambulance services would not be permitted to exceed the limit.
4. Tailgaiting.
See number 3
5. Discourtesy.
See number 3
6. Impatience.
See number 3
7. Lazy and inconsiderate driving.
Sigh...see number 3
8. Less safe environment for pedestrians and cyclists.
If you are speeding in a built up area then yes...see number 3
9. Anti social inconsiderate behaviour through villages and residential streets.
Number 3 anyone?
10. Less fuel efficient (personal and environmental costs).
Yep, can't really disagree there.
11. Cause more traffic jams - false time saving concept.
A huge generalisation. Driving too quickly on a motorway and not paying attention will inevtably lead to an emergency braking scenario which ripples back and causes a jam. Simply speeding does not cause this.
12. Tendency to ignore rear view.
If I'm speeding, I pay more attentnion to rear view, as well as bridges, slip roads etc..
13. Increased risk of side swipe especially by higher excess speeders due to high closing speed and not being seen.
Should not have excessive closing speed. Blasting past something in the adjacenet lane at 120mph is number 3 teritory.
14. Increased dangers as collision resulting from 13 above will most likely result in more serious injury.
See number 16
15. Probably more involvement in accidents.
"Probably"? Our expert is unsure, and is hedging his bets. He's wrong anyway as Pauls data shows, the safest drivers on the road drive faster than average.
16. Definitely more serious accidents.
Yea cannaa break the laws of physics. Hit something harder and it's going to hurt more.
17. More likely to be held responsible for accidents, and must always theoretically share a proportion of blame.
Only if speeding was a contributory factor surely?
18. More likely to lose driving licence.
Yes, because of course "speed kills" and all that exceed the limit are axe wielding murderers.
Mr2Mike said:
11. Cause more traffic jams - false time saving concept.
A huge generalisation. Driving too quickly on a motorway and not paying attention will inevtably lead to an emergency braking scenario which ripples back and causes a jam. Simply speeding does not cause this.
I'm sure that slow vehicles are the cause of more traffic jams than fast ones. Driving fast means (as Mr2Mike points out, and excluding idiots) that you (we) pay greater attention is paid to traffic conditions, you look and assess situations further ahead, you leave a proper margin between you and vehicles in front and you control your speed effectively. Anyone who drives on a motorway or other major road will readily appreciate that driving at the NSL leads to many motorists "watching the brake-lights of the car immediately in front and braking only when they do" and driving too close ... which is a greater cause of "traffic jams" than driving faster.
Streaky
>> Edited by streaky on Thursday 15th July 17:20
- StreakySo in his 18 point list, what he is really saying is " Poor observation, failure to keep a safe distance, failure to react to the actions of other vehicles and inconsiderate driving is dangerous" I agree completely, but isn't that true at any speed??
As it has already been pointed out the only really accurate point is that if you are going faster you will hit harder. Mass x velocity= energy.
edited to add:- Oh yeah, and number 18, got to keep the pennies coming in.
>> Edited by ftasb on Thursday 15th July 09:10
As it has already been pointed out the only really accurate point is that if you are going faster you will hit harder. Mass x velocity= energy.
edited to add:- Oh yeah, and number 18, got to keep the pennies coming in.
>> Edited by ftasb on Thursday 15th July 09:10
We PHers know that fast driving is not inherently dangerous. However, for others it may be that when they drive at speed it does lead to them becoming aggressive, less observant, etc, etc. This is down to poor driving skills and lack of experience rather than speed, but it's simpler to make a blanket generalisation and lump us in with them.
Unfortunately, government policy is aimed at these low-skilled, inexperienced people rather than those who can discern the appropriate times/places. In line with the dumbing down of exams, university entrance, etc, we have the same applied to driving. Whilst owning a pet is now a privilege, everyone must be allowed to drive.
Unfortunately, government policy is aimed at these low-skilled, inexperienced people rather than those who can discern the appropriate times/places. In line with the dumbing down of exams, university entrance, etc, we have the same applied to driving. Whilst owning a pet is now a privilege, everyone must be allowed to drive.
Peter Ward said:
We PHers know that fast driving is not inherently dangerous. However, for others it may be that when they drive at speed it does lead to them becoming aggressive, less observant, etc, etc. This is down to poor driving skills and lack of experience rather than speed, but it's simpler to make a blanket generalisation and lump us in with them.
Unfortunately, government policy is aimed at these low-skilled, inexperienced people rather than those who can discern the appropriate times/places. In line with the dumbing down of exams, university entrance, etc, we have the same applied to driving. Whilst owning a pet is now a privilege, everyone must be allowed to drive.
Peter, couldn't agree more.......was speaking to one of these people who has swallowed the govt lies hook, line and sinker (and she should know better as she's a physicist), and when I pointed to safespeeds website to give her some idea of what lies are being spouted, "oh Paul Smith he's got an axe to grind" and refused to even look at the site, as somebody had commented negatively on Safespeed.....Not seen or read it just heard from one of the herd, and thus it's not worthy of reading..how blinkered can you get?
Majority are hook, line and sinker people and we can't change that...............more's the pity.......
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