Moped on a car licence?

[mat777]

Sorry if this has been done to death before, but..

My full uk driving licence has B, B1 and fkp on the photocard. I dont have the paper part to hand unfortunately so cant say what's on it.

I have read conflicting reports on whether one can legally ride a 50cc moped on car full car licence without taking a CBT? I passed the car licence in 2009. I dont care whether its with or without L plates as long as it gets me around on a few hundred quid stter in the summer to avoid chucking fuel at the Land Rover.

can anyone give a clear answer? I have looked at the DVLA site but it seems ambiguous.

thanks,
matt

[Jakg]

After 2001, no chance.

[rewc]

Jakg said:

After 2001, no chance.

What he said, and the government of course

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNew...

[mat777]

Hang on a minute, this is why I am confused - the link says about doing a cbt to ride a moped on a car licence without L plates. It however does not mention whether you need a cbt to ride WITH L plates...

"If you have a car licence...
If you obtained your full car licence before 1 February 2001 you are automatically entitled to ride a moped without L-plates (D-plates in Wales).
If you obtained a full car licence after 1 February 2001 you must first complete a CBT course and obtain a DL 196 certificate to validate your entitlement."

Edited by mat777 on Tuesday 13th March 20:41

[sday12]

See answer above ^^^^

[rewc]

mat777 said:

Hang on a minute, this is why I am confused - the link says about doing a cbt to ride a moped on a car licence without L plates. It however does not mention whether you need a cbt to ride WITH L plates...

"If you have a car licence...
If you obtained your full car licence before 1 February 2001 you are automatically entitled to ride a moped without L-plates (D-plates in Wales).
If you obtained a full car licence after 1 February 2001 you must first complete a CBT course and obtain a DL 196 certificate to validate your entitlement."

Edited by mat777 on Tuesday 13th March 20:41

You do not need L plates as your car licence already covers you to drive a moped. In the case of the car licence being obtained after 1 Feb 2001 you will need to complete a CBT course to validate it.
As you passed your car test in 2009 you have no option but to undertake the CBT. You cannot ride the moped with L plates as your car licence already covers you for a moped, albeit with the CBT course completion form to validate it.

The only exception I can see is "You will also be free from taking CBT if you live and ride on specified offshore islands. However, if you ride across to mainland UK you will need to complete a CBT course".
I do not know the 'specified islands' although I know the IOW is not one of them. I presume this does not apply to you?

Edited by rewc on Tuesday 13th March 21:08

[madbadger]

mat777 said:

can anyone give a clear answer? I have looked at the DVLA site but it seems ambiguous.

thanks,
matt

DVLA said:

If you obtained a full car licence after 1 February 2001 you must first complete a CBT course and obtain a DL 196 certificate to validate your entitlement.

I've seen more ambiguous statements.

[Who me ?]

OK, you need to complete a CBT ,before going on the road in a Moped. But what fool would consider going on the road on a vehicle they were not conversant with. That's what the law was designed to prevent . ASK yourself that . I've had moped on my licence for over 40 years, but I'd be looking for training before taking one of these on the road . Over forty years ago , I was a passenger on the rear of my FIL scooter, going to see my first kid in hospital . But for my FIL skills, we'd have been taken out by a late night bus who'd failed to see us .

[mat777]

Ok, thanks for the advice.

How much is a CBT? And is that all I need to be eligible for a big bike direct access test when I turn 21 next year?

[Who me ?]

mat777 said:

Ok, thanks for the advice.

How much is a CBT? And is that all I need to be eligible for a big bike direct access test when I turn 21 next year?

Can't help you on that. My advice was based on common sense .Try a google on CBT , or ask on a Biker site . from what .I've heard , it's a bit more than that, on big bikes, but I'm not a biker . As my daughter & SIL are bikers, I've been educated to look out ,and understand bikers signals. So I'm looking out for bikes full time .

[rewc]

mat777 said:

Ok, thanks for the advice.

How much is a CBT? And is that all I need to be eligible for a big bike direct access test when I turn 21 next year?

I think you need to read this:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Hig...

To be eligible for big bike direct access you first have to pass a motorcycle test on a machine between 75cc and 125cc.

Law MV(DL)R regs 16 & 68]

If you have a full car licence you may ride motorcycles up to 125 cc and 11 kW power output, with L plates (and/or D plates in Wales), on public roads. However you MUST first satisfactorily complete a CBT course if you have not already done so.



[Law MV(DL)R reg 43]

If you have a full moped licence and wish to obtain full motorcycle entitlement, you will be required to take a motorcycle theory test if you did not take a separate theory test when you obtained your moped licence. You MUST then pass a practical motorcycle test. Note that if CBT was completed for the full moped licence there is no need to repeat it. However, if the moped test was taken before 1/12/90 CBT will need to be completed before riding a motorcycle as a learner.

[Brite spark]

mat777 said:

Ok, thanks for the advice.

How much is a CBT? And is that all I need to be eligible for a big bike direct access test when I turn 21 next year?

Cbt is cheap, £100ish. Last for two years in relation to use for further training, or as long as your car licence for moped use only. You'll also need to do the motorcycle theory test before your motorcycle test.
HOWEVER the test is changing so you need to look how it will affect you, limited access now and two years restricted to 33 bhp may be the better option.

rewc said:

I think you need to read this:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Hig...

That's all you need to know as it currently stands

rewc said:

To be eligible for big bike direct access you first have to pass a motorcycle test on a machine between 75cc and 125cc.

That isn't for direct access, it's light motorcycle class A1, upto 125cc, rather than category A

Edited by Brite spark on Wednesday 14th March 00:10

[daz3210]

So, I passed my car test in 1997.

Does that mean (legally at least) I don't need a CBT on a moped?

At that time my motorcycle entitlement expired after 2 years if I didn't take a test. Does that 2 year rule now not apply?

[daz3210]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

So it does, but with CBT I didn't know if that requirement trumped the licence. When I looked at insurance for a moped, the insurer insisted I should need a CBT, and wanted the date of when I did it.

[rewc]

daz3210 said:

So it does, but with CBT I didn't know if that requirement trumped the licence. When I looked at insurance for a moped, the insurer insisted I should need a CBT, and wanted the date of when I did it.

Perhaps it is a requirement of the particular insurance company that you have attended CBT for them to offer cover as opposed to it being a requirement of your licence?

[CBR JGWRR]

mat777 said:

Sorry if this has been done to death before, but..

My full uk driving licence has B, B1 and fkp on the photocard. I dont have the paper part to hand unfortunately so cant say what's on it.

I have read conflicting reports on whether one can legally ride a 50cc moped on car full car licence without taking a CBT? I passed the car licence in 2009. I dont care whether its with or without L plates as long as it gets me around on a few hundred quid stter in the summer to avoid chucking fuel at the Land Rover.

can anyone give a clear answer? I have looked at the DVLA site but it seems ambiguous.

thanks,
matt

Yes, you can after CBT. The upside is it allows you to ride 125cc motorcycles, which are much faster than 50cc ones anyway.

A CBT will be roughly 100 quid, buying the bike another couple of hundred, with 0 depricieation, or maybe even going up in price...



DAS currently is 21, but next January 19th it rises to 24.

[rewc]

CBR JGWRR said:

Yes, you can after CBT. The upside is it allows you to ride 125cc motorcycles, which are much faster than 50cc ones anyway.

A

But with L plates.

[Law MV(DL)R regs 16 & 68]

If you have a full car licence you may ride motorcycles up to 125 cc and 11 kW power output, with L plates (and/or D plates in Wales), on public roads. However you MUST first satisfactorily complete a CBT course if you have not already done so.

[CBR JGWRR]

rewc said:

CBR JGWRR said:

Yes, you can after CBT. The upside is it allows you to ride 125cc motorcycles, which are much faster than 50cc ones anyway.

A

But with L plates.

[Law MV(DL)R regs 16 & 68]

If you have a full car licence you may ride motorcycles up to 125 cc and 11 kW power output, with L plates (and/or D plates in Wales), on public roads. However you MUST first satisfactorily complete a CBT course if you have not already done so.

OP says he doesn't mind L-plates.