They got me.........
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If you all get letter writing voicing your concerns about the lack of Trafpol and send a letter to your MP, the newspaper and your local chief constable.....
Tell your friends and family to do the same...also work colleagues....
The thing is, we the british public are all talk and no trousers and we just roll over for our bellies to be tickled..
Street
Tell your friends and family to do the same...also work colleagues....
The thing is, we the british public are all talk and no trousers and we just roll over for our bellies to be tickled..
Street
Streetcop said:
If you all get letter writing voicing your concerns about the lack of Trafpol and send a letter to your MP, the newspaper and your local chief constable.....
Tell your friends and family to do the same...also work colleagues....
The thing is, we the british public are all talk and no trousers and we just roll over for our bellies to be tickled..
Street
Oh I've certainly done a fair amount of letter writing.
I have written to my MP and I'm supposed to be meeting him for a chat. I have also written to the press a few times and the local paper has published most of these, and our Chief Constable (Ms Della Cannings) has also been on my mailing list for a while.
Unfortunately, what you say about the British public is all too true. We tend to do a lot of complaining to each other, but we seldom make our complaints directly to those who control and influence things.
Organisations like BRAKE seem to be extremely good at playing the emotional card and getting people on their bandwagon, but in so far as rational measures directed at road safety are concerned, they haven't a clue.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Streetcop said:
I got a 54 in a 40
Sorry to tell you mate, but I'd have done you for 54 in a 40...My personal mark for that speed limit is 52...That and above gets ticketed...and I for one think that is fair...None of this 46mph...
Street
I have no problems with you ticketing me (if you pull me at the time - hell I will even be polite). I will however fight, on principle, any thieving scumera partnership that wants me to admit that I was driving my car at such and such a time. That they can stick where the sun don't shine.
It was the BiB that got me - mini gatso in London. In fact rumour has it it was manned by our very own Will Crash at the time.
Superflid my sympathies, this could have been any one of us.
Fact is that, regardless of any tolerances, you broke the speed limit by 9mph. It's the limits that are the problem, set way too low.
What's wrong with 100mph plus limits on m-ways enforced by traffic police who are trained to spot those not capable of driving safely in such an environment?
Sorry forgot that this doesn't tie in with this gov's policy of reducing congestion and pollution by pricing and banning everyone off the roads. And not enough ££££
Fact is that, regardless of any tolerances, you broke the speed limit by 9mph. It's the limits that are the problem, set way too low.
What's wrong with 100mph plus limits on m-ways enforced by traffic police who are trained to spot those not capable of driving safely in such an environment?
Sorry forgot that this doesn't tie in with this gov's policy of reducing congestion and pollution by pricing and banning everyone off the roads. And not enough ££££
leosayer said:
What's wrong with 100mph plus limits on m-ways enforced by traffic police who are trained to spot those not capable of driving safely in such an environment?
What?
How can if someone is not capabale of driving in such an atmosphere, if they aren't tailgaiting or mating sharp lane changes etc...On top of that...everyone drives perfectly well 300 metres behind my car and 300 metres in front of my car...
In addition, some vehicle..(a lot in my experience) haven't been maintained enough to drive at 100mph+
Street
Streetcop said:
I agree...very unfair on that particular stretch of motorway...
Nevermind..not the end of the world...
Street
It's precisely because it's NOT the end of the world that people pay up even when it's blatantly unjust - they still end up eroding respect for the law/police officers, who then don't get the support they need when they REALLY need it.
Streetcop said:
What's wrong with 100mph plus limits on m-ways enforced by traffic police who are trained to spot those not capable of driving safely in such an environment?
What?
How can if someone is not capabale of driving in such an atmosphere, if they aren't tailgaiting or mating sharp lane changes etc...On top of that...everyone drives perfectly well 300 metres behind my car and 300 metres in front of my car...
In addition, some vehicle..(a lot in my experience) haven't been maintained enough to drive at 100mph+
Street
Sorry, I meant to spot their standard of driving as you say tailgating, sharp lane changes also drifting out of lane, sharp braking, cutting across other drivers etc.
With ref to the maintenance of the vehicles, surely our wonderful MOT test should take care of that one? There are obvious signs eg clouds of smoke from the exhuast although I concede poor brakes are impossible to spot until it's too late. These can be a liability at any speed though.
It's just my frustration that limits are set to the lowest common denominator.
jatrichardson said:
I agree...very unfair on that particular stretch of motorway...
Nevermind..not the end of the world...
Street
It's precisely because it's NOT the end of the world that people pay up even when it's blatantly unjust - they still end up eroding respect for the law/police officers, who then don't get the support they need when they REALLY need it.
I know where you're coming from...but 'unjust' isn't the way to describe it. If the law is there and it's enforced, no matter how it's done, then it's black and white. If the speed limit is 70mph on a motorway and you can go up to 10%+2mph..and you end up doing 79mph and get caught...there is nothing that can be said regarding the plainly obvious.
If the speed limit was 80mph and you did 90mph you'd get a ticket.
Personally speaking, I think it's unfair because of the nature of the road and the fact that it's absolutely to the letter of the law that the offence has been detected. But that doesn't make it unjust, just upsetting.
I agree that it might make people think more harshly of the police, but those people with a bit of savvy will realise that it's the government, be it local or central who is to blame and not the boys who take the orders.
Like I always say, if someone needs the police or if someone wants to complain about something which outrages their own sense of right and wrong, they will contact the police, regardless of how many speeding tickets or whatever they've recieved in the past.
I, like everyone else on here, would prefer that speeding enforcement was down solely to trafpol, but I don't see that happening in the near future, if ever again.
Recently, as I've described on another thread, I was manning a speed Pro Laser gun on a 40mph zone that was a KSI site. Many cars did above the 10%+2mph, some even creeping to 51mph, without me stopping them...I stopped drivers at 52mph and above as I feel that is a fair breach of the limit to be 'done' at.
What made me slightly annoyed was the numbers of cars which did pass the large battenburged/flourescent car (side on to the road) at speeds above the limit. They either didn't see it
(proves why certain people shouldn't exceed the speed limit), or they couldn't care less about their licences.. Street
Hi all
I think it is unjust. Laws are handed down from those in power and we have to accept them. I dont rememebr seeing on Tony or his cronies election manifestio's that they would dramatically reduce the number of traffic police or normal police. I also dont rememebr seeing that they would erect thousands of speed camera or implement tali vans to collect even more monies from the law abiding motorist in this country.
Those who dont accept them are labelled lawbreakers etc. When people try and change the law they are labelled rebels etc, and should be locked up in prisions.
But if people did not challenge the laws then we would still be in the middle ages. It takes time and energy to change people attitude and money
I believe that we have to change people attitudes, remind people that those who slide over the "defined" speed limits that we are not the evil dooers of society.
Street - my understaning is that its the police to enforce these rules, even if they are daft subject to some discrection i.e your policies which are much fairer. As someone else stated speedo's are designed to reflect an average of a drivers speed in a glance
Steeet - I have the utmost respect for you and your collegues.
I think it is unjust. Laws are handed down from those in power and we have to accept them. I dont rememebr seeing on Tony or his cronies election manifestio's that they would dramatically reduce the number of traffic police or normal police. I also dont rememebr seeing that they would erect thousands of speed camera or implement tali vans to collect even more monies from the law abiding motorist in this country.
Those who dont accept them are labelled lawbreakers etc. When people try and change the law they are labelled rebels etc, and should be locked up in prisions.
But if people did not challenge the laws then we would still be in the middle ages. It takes time and energy to change people attitude and money
I believe that we have to change people attitudes, remind people that those who slide over the "defined" speed limits that we are not the evil dooers of society.
Street - my understaning is that its the police to enforce these rules, even if they are daft subject to some discrection i.e your policies which are much fairer. As someone else stated speedo's are designed to reflect an average of a drivers speed in a glance
Steeet - I have the utmost respect for you and your collegues.
Many thanks to all who gave me the support I needed to fight this, special thanks to the serving ossifers involved.
I went to Scunthorpe Mags Court today after much correspondence and phone time. After talking to CPS they decided to offer no evidence, case dismissed!
Licence still spotless.
I went to Scunthorpe Mags Court today after much correspondence and phone time. After talking to CPS they decided to offer no evidence, case dismissed!
Licence still spotless.
Basically I stuck to my story from start to finish.
Due to my illness I swap driving with my wife, this is almost an everyday occurrence. I simply could not remember where we had swapped drivers on that particular journey. If you've driven the M180 you'll understand!
I think that the court appearance was simply to check if I was trying it on.
Due to my illness I swap driving with my wife, this is almost an everyday occurrence. I simply could not remember where we had swapped drivers on that particular journey. If you've driven the M180 you'll understand!
I think that the court appearance was simply to check if I was trying it on.
Plus of course the M180 is officially THE most boring motorway in the UK.
79 on there! That is utterly silly, I know law is the law and all that but then they wonder why public attitude is at it is.
Yet the prat on the Suzuki yesterday at 3:30 pm accelerating away from the lights at full bore got away with it. Schoolkids both pavements and a school crossing ahead. So he might very well be a donor at some point in the future, just a question of who he takes with him.
79 on there! That is utterly silly, I know law is the law and all that but then they wonder why public attitude is at it is.
Yet the prat on the Suzuki yesterday at 3:30 pm accelerating away from the lights at full bore got away with it. Schoolkids both pavements and a school crossing ahead. So he might very well be a donor at some point in the future, just a question of who he takes with him.
Beljames, that is unbelievable.
Good use of resource....
Mrs V996 and I drove past a guy lying on the pavement in Whitechapel last night - Mrs V996 jumped out to offer first aid.
He was out cold - epileptic as it turns out. We called the police in case he'd been done in and they took, wait for it, forty five minutes to arrive.
Too busy changing the film in revenue cameras no doubt.
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