Carrying a swiss army knife in the car
Discussion
Dibble said:
What's the misinformation?
The law wrt bladed/pointed articles clearly outlines that you need a reason (work, religion, costume) to have a bladed article with you, you can't have it "just in case". Notwithstanding that, I'd like to think that most officers would be fairly pragmatic about the reasons someone had such an item with them, and where it might be in the car.
And yes, for the avoidance of doubt, I am BiB.
The law states that you need a good reason, OTHER than for a folding pocket knife and the blade must be non-locking and under 3". Read the LAW I quoted, S139. The part about a locking knife becoming a fixed blade isn't actually law, but is now the case due to a legal precedent being set in someone v someone.The law wrt bladed/pointed articles clearly outlines that you need a reason (work, religion, costume) to have a bladed article with you, you can't have it "just in case". Notwithstanding that, I'd like to think that most officers would be fairly pragmatic about the reasons someone had such an item with them, and where it might be in the car.
And yes, for the avoidance of doubt, I am BiB.
What chance does a law abiding citizen when the old bill don't even know the law.
Edited by SlimJim16v on Monday 17th September 12:56
Edited by SlimJim16v on Monday 17th September 12:59
Pothole said:
o you have any cites for the above statement? ("all these stupid laws being put in place to stop a minority of idiots when the majority are law abiding citizens, who are being prosecuted for carrying screwdrivers etc: by overzealous police.") i.e. cases where it has actually happened and has resulted in a prosecution? Or are you just getting worked up about media hype?
I grew up in an era when nearly all lads carried a knife, made bows and arrows, just enjoyed life as you do. Now you cannot carry a knife in public, why, I'm the same as I was when I could carry anything openly be it a screwdriver or a hammer, the list goes on and on.Just what has this loss of my freedom to be able to do what I have done for years achieved? Lads are killing each other for fun today with knives, I cannot remember anyone being stabbed in a fight.
Up here there was a chef prosecuted for carrying his knives in the car boot on his way home. Can you not understand why the public has a low opinion of the Police, years ago they were given a bit of respect, this is not the case now.
Likewise, there was a time when it was commonplace to see the local farmer walking down the street with an open shotgun over his shoulder.
Folks would be filled with horror if this happened these days.
The problem is as you say we have idiots who bear each other ill, and unfortunately everyone suffers as a result.
Its like my Dad once said to me, when he was young if you had a fall out, you had a punch up, sorted it, shook hands then went and bought one another another pint. Its not so these days.
Folks would be filled with horror if this happened these days.
The problem is as you say we have idiots who bear each other ill, and unfortunately everyone suffers as a result.
Its like my Dad once said to me, when he was young if you had a fall out, you had a punch up, sorted it, shook hands then went and bought one another another pint. Its not so these days.
daz3210 said:
Likewise, there was a time when it was commonplace to see the local farmer walking down the street with an open shotgun over his shoulder.
Folks would be filled with horror if this happened these days.
The problem is as you say we have idiots who bear each other ill, and unfortunately everyone suffers as a result.
Its like my Dad once said to me, when he was young if you had a fall out, you had a punch up, sorted it, shook hands then went and bought one another another pint. Its not so these days.
In a way I'm glad I'm old, I used to walk through the village with an open shotgun, the local bobby used to ask for a rabbit.Folks would be filled with horror if this happened these days.
The problem is as you say we have idiots who bear each other ill, and unfortunately everyone suffers as a result.
Its like my Dad once said to me, when he was young if you had a fall out, you had a punch up, sorted it, shook hands then went and bought one another another pint. Its not so these days.
Like your Dad said if you fell out there was no malice or revenge. I dread to think what it will be like in another 20 years.
But I still cannot understand why everyone has to be treated the same, it's as if we are all guilty until proven otherwise and I don't like it.
Old Fart said:
Pothole said:
o you have any cites for the above statement? ("all these stupid laws being put in place to stop a minority of idiots when the majority are law abiding citizens, who are being prosecuted for carrying screwdrivers etc: by overzealous police.") i.e. cases where it has actually happened and has resulted in a prosecution? Or are you just getting worked up about media hype?
I grew up in an era when nearly all lads carried a knife, made bows and arrows, just enjoyed life as you do. Now you cannot carry a knife in public, why, I'm the same as I was when I could carry anything openly be it a screwdriver or a hammer, the list goes on and on.Just what has this loss of my freedom to be able to do what I have done for years achieved? Lads are killing each other for fun today with knives, I cannot remember anyone being stabbed in a fight.
Up here there was a chef prosecuted for carrying his knives in the car boot on his way home. Can you not understand why the public has a low opinion of the Police, years ago they were given a bit of respect, this is not the case now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203982/El...
Exactly, passing laws only punishes the law abiding, the criminal will obviously ignore them. It doesn't help with all the scare mongering the tabloids do.
I can no longer spend a quiet Sunday putting 50 holes in a target with a pistol, has it stopped criminals shooting people? NO!
I can no longer spend a quiet Sunday putting 50 holes in a target with a pistol, has it stopped criminals shooting people? NO!
Edited by SlimJim16v on Monday 17th September 13:42
SlimJim16v said:
Exactly, passing laws only punishes the law abiding, the criminal will obviously ignore them. It doesn't help with all the scare mongering the tabloids do.
I can no longer spend a quiet Sunday putting 50 holes in a target with a pistol, has it stopped criminals shooting people? NO!
Have you not tried blackpowder with a decent single shot target pistol?I can no longer spend a quiet Sunday putting 50 holes in a target with a pistol, has it stopped criminals shooting people? NO!
Edited by SlimJim16v on Monday 17th September 13:42
I tried everything after handing all my pistols in but went back to clay shooting but the craic's not quite the same.
SlimJim16v said:
I've only recently taken up shooting again. Black powder looks interesting, lots of noise and smoke.
I may try one of the long barreled pistols, .22 semi or .38 revolver. The Winchester I used yesterday was nice though.
Black powder is a pain in the rectum when it comes to cleaning though.I may try one of the long barreled pistols, .22 semi or .38 revolver. The Winchester I used yesterday was nice though.
Old Fart said:
Pothole said:
o you have any cites for the above statement? ("all these stupid laws being put in place to stop a minority of idiots when the majority are law abiding citizens, who are being prosecuted for carrying screwdrivers etc: by overzealous police.") i.e. cases where it has actually happened and has resulted in a prosecution? Or are you just getting worked up about media hype?
I grew up in an era when nearly all lads carried a knife, made bows and arrows, just enjoyed life as you do. Now you cannot carry a knife in public, why, I'm the same as I was when I could carry anything openly be it a screwdriver or a hammer, the list goes on and on.Just what has this loss of my freedom to be able to do what I have done for years achieved? Lads are killing each other for fun today with knives, I cannot remember anyone being stabbed in a fight.
Up here there was a chef prosecuted for carrying his knives in the car boot on his way home. Can you not understand why the public has a low opinion of the Police, years ago they were given a bit of respect, this is not the case now.
agtlaw said:
That's not a knife ...
So what is it? 
The only concern having now read that you are only legally allowed to carry a 3 inch blade is the rescue tool blade is 4-3/8 inches long. However, having said that, it's clearly a tool designed for a specific purpose plus with a lifetime guarantee, what's to go wrong?
And at a tad over £50, it's a no brainer to keep it in the car.
btdk5 said:
Old Fart said:
Pothole said:
o you have any cites for the above statement? ("all these stupid laws being put in place to stop a minority of idiots when the majority are law abiding citizens, who are being prosecuted for carrying screwdrivers etc: by overzealous police.") i.e. cases where it has actually happened and has resulted in a prosecution? Or are you just getting worked up about media hype?
I grew up in an era when nearly all lads carried a knife, made bows and arrows, just enjoyed life as you do. Now you cannot carry a knife in public, why, I'm the same as I was when I could carry anything openly be it a screwdriver or a hammer, the list goes on and on.Just what has this loss of my freedom to be able to do what I have done for years achieved? Lads are killing each other for fun today with knives, I cannot remember anyone being stabbed in a fight.
Up here there was a chef prosecuted for carrying his knives in the car boot on his way home. Can you not understand why the public has a low opinion of the Police, years ago they were given a bit of respect, this is not the case now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203982/El...
beanbag said:
The only concern having now read that you are only legally allowed to carry a 3 inch blade is the rescue tool blade is 4-3/8 inches long. However, having said that, it's clearly a tool designed for a specific purpose plus with a lifetime guarantee, what's to go wrong?
And at a tad over £50, it's a no brainer to keep it in the car.
As it is not a folding pocket knife, with a blade of 3" or less, good reason is required. Having it "just in case" is not good enough. And at a tad over £50, it's a no brainer to keep it in the car.
I've got a 'Swiss Champ' in my pocket right now , and I seldom go anywhere without it .
In my rucksack , you will find two Gerber tools , a gas soldering bolt , a cycle repair tool which has a handy selection of hex keys and small sockets plus open ended spanners , a small screwdriver set with interchangeable bits covering blade , cross head , Torx , Allen and various other bits , plus solder , cable ties , insulating tape , sundry connectors , a camcorder , digital camera , assortment of batteries , and much more - all of this I routinely carry around .
Besides the above , all of my cars are kitted out with 'Lifehammers' - mounted within easy reach of the drivers seats , fire extinguishers - ditto , first aid kits in the rear shelf cubby holes , and a decent selection of tools and other emergency equipment , spare fuel , and parts kept in the boot . Although I have only needed assistance myself twice in close to 40 years of motoring , I have given it to others countless times .
In my rucksack , you will find two Gerber tools , a gas soldering bolt , a cycle repair tool which has a handy selection of hex keys and small sockets plus open ended spanners , a small screwdriver set with interchangeable bits covering blade , cross head , Torx , Allen and various other bits , plus solder , cable ties , insulating tape , sundry connectors , a camcorder , digital camera , assortment of batteries , and much more - all of this I routinely carry around .
Besides the above , all of my cars are kitted out with 'Lifehammers' - mounted within easy reach of the drivers seats , fire extinguishers - ditto , first aid kits in the rear shelf cubby holes , and a decent selection of tools and other emergency equipment , spare fuel , and parts kept in the boot . Although I have only needed assistance myself twice in close to 40 years of motoring , I have given it to others countless times .
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