Stab a dog, criminal damage?
Discussion
Issi said:
I would go for the person in charge of the dangerous dog, as they are responsible........ I would never harm any animal.
So someones dangerous dog attacking your dog and about to kill it... your response is to punch the owner in the face. All that achieves is you both go home minus a dog.If a dog is doing something bad like attacking your dog or in extreme cases damaging your property I think its fair game to kill it.
XCP said:
Digger said:
I never mentioned calming. A surprise move like that would certainly divert my attention though!
Best of luck!I have a Bull Mastiff, and I wouldn't try it!
icetea said:
Issi said:
I would go for the person in charge of the dangerous dog, as they are responsible........ I would never harm any animal.
So someones dangerous dog attacking your dog and about to kill it... your response is to punch the owner in the face. All that achieves is you both go home minus a dog.If a dog is doing something bad like attacking your dog or in extreme cases damaging your property I think its fair game to kill it.
Ooooh Internet threats lol.
Anyway, the dog had a prior history of being out of control and multiple attacks taking place.
Knifing any live thing takes either a lot of adrenaline or a psychotic mind- or both. He was obviously adrenalined up trying to save his dog.
A hose pipe spraying the dog in the face, a can of deodorant in its eyes, any type of cold shock would have worked just as well. But then the mad dog might have recovered quickly and gone in for a second attack- on the defender.
Knifing the dog was extreme, but in this case I think he did the right thing.
55kgs of dog - that's not a small dog is it.
Anyway, the dog had a prior history of being out of control and multiple attacks taking place.
Knifing any live thing takes either a lot of adrenaline or a psychotic mind- or both. He was obviously adrenalined up trying to save his dog.
A hose pipe spraying the dog in the face, a can of deodorant in its eyes, any type of cold shock would have worked just as well. But then the mad dog might have recovered quickly and gone in for a second attack- on the defender.
Knifing the dog was extreme, but in this case I think he did the right thing.
55kgs of dog - that's not a small dog is it.
Jasandjules said:
You'll get badly hurt? Or are you some form of steel skinned person when a large dog with large teeth bites you won't feel it?
Just curious really.
I've seen your dogs, and thankfully most people don't have bears for pets. Just curious really.
Just a warning anyway. If dog owners are aware that there are people like me around (steel skinned types) they wont be surprised when their baby doggy woggy gets hurt.
Tyson got what was coming to him, there is no story here.
bigandclever said:
hman said:
55kgs of dog - that's not a small dog is it.
There is no way that that dog was 55kgs. Considering the "average" pedigree American Bulldog is 47kilos.
Link:
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either way it is/was a big f
ker! Now,now ,children. I own a large variety of my breed. It's a 12.5 Kg Cairn Terrier. ( Every year I get told at Jab time ,that he's just right.).But, he's not just a Terrier- he's ( in his mind) a warrier. But ,too often I see owners of the "Macho" dog forget that this little bloke will do massive damage to prevent me being attacked. If a dog comes around being agrssive, he will make defensive gestures. It's macho behaviour. Classic case I know of was Great Dane had a go at a West Highland Terrier ( Cairn in white). Westie shot up behind the rear legs ,under the belly ,and riped the throuat out of Great Dane. But , I keep mine under control in the park ,as do others. THAT'S what dog ownership is all abouut. BUT,if a large dog hits mine, I attack,without weapons, as the LAW has no powers ( at present) to allow an owner to be prosecuted for dameage to another dog. Vets bills- that's up to the owner that gets hurt. Simple solition- get in way, get bitten ,and get police involved. Me ,I'll take the hit, anfd let the law take it's course. (Always no blame -no claim folks )
y2blade said:
bigandclever said:
hman said:
55kgs of dog - that's not a small dog is it.
There is no way that that dog was 55kgs. Considering the "average" pedigree American Bulldog is 47kilos.
Link:
http://www.petsgetslim.co.uk/site-media/images/mod...
either way it is/was a big f
ker! Jasandjules said:
Tonberry said:
Be clear that if your dog attempts to attack me or any person I am with it will be dealt with appropriately.
You'll get badly hurt? Or are you some form of steel skinned person when a large dog with large teeth bites you won't feel it? Just curious really.
Your bravado laden response, though I hope was 'tongue in cheek', is what gives big dogs (via their owners) such a bad reputation.
Boshly said:
Jasandjules said:
Tonberry said:
Be clear that if your dog attempts to attack me or any person I am with it will be dealt with appropriately.
You'll get badly hurt? Or are you some form of steel skinned person when a large dog with large teeth bites you won't feel it? Just curious really.
Your bravado laden response, though I hope was 'tongue in cheek', is what gives big dogs (via their owners) such a bad reputation.
The trouble is that their dog then come off worse or the big dog gets frightened of attak and uses attack as the best form of defence and all because of small untrained dogs behaving in an agressive manor.
Any size dog training is a must, how often do you see a small dog puling on the lead, if a big dog did this then the owner would be on the floor.
gruffalo said:
I think you will find that in a altercation between two dogs as this one was it is normally the smaller dog that starts the problem, people don't seem to think they need to train small dogs.
The trouble is that their dog then come off worse or the big dog gets frightened of attak and uses attack as the best form of defence and all because of small untrained dogs behaving in an agressive manor.
Any size dog training is a must, how often do you see a small dog puling on the lead, if a big dog did this then the owner would be on the floor.
I guess you didn't mean to quote my post as it had little relevance to your own post?The trouble is that their dog then come off worse or the big dog gets frightened of attak and uses attack as the best form of defence and all because of small untrained dogs behaving in an agressive manor.
Any size dog training is a must, how often do you see a small dog puling on the lead, if a big dog did this then the owner would be on the floor.
I wouldn't quite agree with what you say, I would suggest instead of "its normally the smaller dog that starts the problem"; "it's normally the more aggressive dog that starts the problem" is a lot more accurate.
I'm also not an expert (unless watching Cesar Milan programmes qualifies me as such
) but I would guess a dog pulling at a lead or not, and as such a presumption of training or lack of, is not an indication of whether a dog will attack another; but more important is dog socialization with other dogs (and other animals/humans??) in a controlled manner and at an early and regular stage? After all in this particular instance it would appear Tyson was running loose with no owner in sight, and once a dog is in a fight scenario (I'm only guessing here) it would take a superbly trained animal to 'release' on command thus exposing themselves to further attack and damage?I do think though in general that the larger the dog the more control (and less off lead activity) in areas where the general public are as people will always be more scared of larger animals. And glib statements of 'my dog is big and therefore stronger than you' will not help allay these fears.
Boshly said:
I guess you didn't mean to quote my post as it had little relevance to your own post?
I wouldn't quite agree with what you say, I would suggest instead of "its normally the smaller dog that starts the problem"; "it's normally the more aggressive dog that starts the problem" is a lot more accurate.
I'm also not an expert (unless watching Cesar Milan programmes qualifies me as such ) but I would guess a dog pulling at a lead or not, and as such a presumption of training or lack of, is not an indication of whether a dog will attack another; but more important is dog socialization with other dogs (and other animals/humans??) in a controlled manner and at an early and regular stage? After all in this particular instance it would appear Tyson was running loose with no owner in sight, and once a dog is in a fight scenario (I'm only guessing here) it would take a superbly trained animal to 'release' on command thus exposing themselves to further attack and damage?
I do think though in general that the larger the dog the more control (and less off lead activity) in areas where the general public are as people will always be more scared of larger animals. And glib statements of 'my dog is big and therefore stronger than you' will not help allay these fears.
My comment about traing is based around the basic pack behaviour that dogs follow, if you take the time to train a dog then it understands its place in the pack, if not it will always be vying for seniority this can easily manifest itself as aggressive behaviour.I wouldn't quite agree with what you say, I would suggest instead of "its normally the smaller dog that starts the problem"; "it's normally the more aggressive dog that starts the problem" is a lot more accurate.
I'm also not an expert (unless watching Cesar Milan programmes qualifies me as such
) but I would guess a dog pulling at a lead or not, and as such a presumption of training or lack of, is not an indication of whether a dog will attack another; but more important is dog socialization with other dogs (and other animals/humans??) in a controlled manner and at an early and regular stage? After all in this particular instance it would appear Tyson was running loose with no owner in sight, and once a dog is in a fight scenario (I'm only guessing here) it would take a superbly trained animal to 'release' on command thus exposing themselves to further attack and damage?I do think though in general that the larger the dog the more control (and less off lead activity) in areas where the general public are as people will always be more scared of larger animals. And glib statements of 'my dog is big and therefore stronger than you' will not help allay these fears.
Basically a trained dog is a happy dog, it understands its place, an untrained dog is a much less happy dog and much more likely to show aggresive tendancies to any other person or animal that enters its vicinity and thus poses an perceived threat.
Its interesting the number of people who think that if your dog has a fight, its OK to kill the other dog and stab a woman.
Tyson was bleeding from the dog fight. Daisy told me that while she did not closely examine the other dog, the other dog did not appear to be injured.
Tyson was well known around Hampstead. There are many people who well not recognise what is in some of your fevered imagination.
It is standard procedure that if a dog sees another dog, they run toward the other dog. The problem with a big dog like Tyson is if he runs over it looks scary.
For those who are unaware, Daisy was not Tyson's owner until he was 2 years old. I think he had had a few owners. I think the previous owner had had a problem with not having been allowed to have a dog in that housing. Aside from Daisy did not name him Tyson, he was a nice dog.
I walked Tyson on a number of occasions. He would meet and greet other dogs. I changed direction when I saw Staffs, I had been told he had been attacked by Staffs.
Was the other dog examined by a vet that night?
Tyson was bleeding from the dog fight. Daisy told me that while she did not closely examine the other dog, the other dog did not appear to be injured.
Tyson was well known around Hampstead. There are many people who well not recognise what is in some of your fevered imagination.
It is standard procedure that if a dog sees another dog, they run toward the other dog. The problem with a big dog like Tyson is if he runs over it looks scary.
For those who are unaware, Daisy was not Tyson's owner until he was 2 years old. I think he had had a few owners. I think the previous owner had had a problem with not having been allowed to have a dog in that housing. Aside from Daisy did not name him Tyson, he was a nice dog.
I walked Tyson on a number of occasions. He would meet and greet other dogs. I changed direction when I saw Staffs, I had been told he had been attacked by Staffs.
Was the other dog examined by a vet that night?
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