Speed 'not main road killer'

[safespeed]

gone said:

safespeed said: ...., then the rules would become much more complex. And I don't like complex rules. Only complex graphs and statistics

You might find them complex, but I strive to make them as simple as possible, but never oversimplified.

[Mad Moggie]

gone said:

Mad Moggie said: ..... planned this stupidity - was brain dead councillors again .... But who put the pressure on them to do it Dr Mog? Was it by any chance the people that elected them to be councillors who live in the area? I wonder???

Nope - cos the locals do not like this either - despite what Steve says on his forum....

I gather from bloke in the know at Ings - that these were militant cyclists.....

And nobody in Ambleside wants those daft cycle lanes either.... they really are dangerous - I kid you not!

But the councillor... A complete pillock!

[8Pack]

deeen said:

gone said: With that line of thought, a bend is a hazard, so lets abolish bends? I believe that is a well respected road engineering solution.

What did the Romans ever do for us hey! 8Pack

[8Pack]

TripleS said:

Dave - part time optimist.

Er! What do you do in your spare time then dave?

[spnracing]

safespeed said:

mybrainhurts said: Me Many a true word... The implication that drivers should set speed limits is very well founded.

No its not and it'll never happen.

You are forgetting that the very councillors you are berating are voted in by the people - its called democracy.

There will always be one off examples of bad practice - but I wouldn't be surprised at all if speed limits were generally LOWERED if this was handed over 100% to the police.

[turbobloke]

spnracing said:

I wouldn't be surprised at all if speed limits were generally LOWERED if this was handed over 100% to the police.

Be surprised, it's already been mentioned in this thread that police generally object to lower speed limit notices issued by councils

[spnracing]

Generally object? Or object occasionally?

Anyway - councillors are voted in and the police aren't so there's little chance of the current system changing.

[TripleS]

mybrainhurts said:

Me

Got any job vacancies?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[TripleS]

8Pack said:

TripleS said: Dave - part time optimist. Er! What do you do in your spare time then dave?

I get pessimistic - but I'm working on that bit.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[safespeed]

spnracing said:

safespeed said: mybrainhurts said: Me Many a true word... The implication that drivers should set speed limits is very well founded. No its not and it'll never happen. You are forgetting that the very councillors you are berating are voted in by the people - its called democracy. There will always be one off examples of bad practice - but I wouldn't be surprised at all if speed limits were generally LOWERED if this was handed over 100% to the police.

The method I described (85th percentile) is widely used all around the world to set speed limits, and has been for many decades.

If councillors don't have the skills of traffic engineers they should stay out, irrespective of votes. If it goes on like this will councillors be allowed to perscribe drugs because they have been elected? No. Election isn't enough. Qualifications are important too.

I wouldn't expect the Police to support a general lowering of speed limits.

[lunarscope]

spnracing said:

Generally object? Or object occasionally? Anyway - councillors are voted in and the police aren't so there's little chance of the current system changing.

Oh, so everything they do is fine and dandy and in the public's best interest, is it ?

[WildCat]

spnracing said:

Generally object? Or object occasionally? Anyway - councillors are voted in and the police aren't so there's little chance of the current system changing.

Local elections are notorious for a low turn out. Partly down to apathy - but this "apathy" is in part due to fact that these candidates are of such low calibre in brain, ability, capability, common sense - that people do indeed thing "What is the point?"

That is another thing we need to look at Liebchen - quality of councillors. However, not sure where my dual nat would leave me for standing as the other half of my "dual nat" is non-EU.... assuming I had the time between the lab, kittens and cars .....and the Mad Doc is locked into lurgies....

And in the North West - we had a postal vote ... and we had lots of reports of postmen and people being intimidated to to vote in certain way. This was in each local paper. However, more people voted - and Labour lost seats. Hopefully, the ones we voted in will undo the crass stupidity of the last lot... but then again - pigs will fly first..

But - you have too rosy a view of politics.... und scamerati - you need to get out more!

Und it is not just the speed limits on local roads - is it Liebchen?

Manchester/Salford - high council taxes - low services in general. Lot of money wasted on their "expenses", ludicrous initiatives - in Salford's case - as I understand from pal who is daft enough to live in are under this council's control ...they wasted thousands of council tax payers' cash on a new "corporate" image - which appears to be a council colour of some sicky inducing shocking pink/cerise colour and signs in similar colour proclaiming everything "In Salford". They are also after turning Barton Airport (mere stone's throw from MIA) into Salford International Airport - and locals are raging over it by all accounts.

Cumbria? Well hardly the cheapest place to live in any case - but we get poor retrun for our money on aggregate as well. Daft cycle lanes, daft speed limits - 20 mph in Ambleside where the cycle lanes are and 30 mph on the High Street where tourists just j-walk - because they are tourists and this is what tourists do! Not saying they should - but that ist what they do when on holiday... But I would actually have reduced the speed limit where the ramblers walk - and not bothered with spending our money on nonsensical cycle lanes and retained the short 30 mph leading into the NSL as this is more conducive to actual road safety for all of us here. But then - pah - only idiots appear to appear as candidates - probably because there is an IQ test for them. I would fail this IQ test because my IQ is way-y-y-y-y too high to qualify ....lower the IQ more chance of being selected to stand....

In any case - our Deirdre and Audrey - and Fred (I say Fred!) were councillors down Corrie once upon a time.... rest me case - even in soapy land they got it about right in the dopey cretin stakes....

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[Size Nine Elm]

safespeed said:

You might find them complex, but I strive to make them as simple as possible, but never oversimplified.

Keep it as simple as possible - but no simpler.

[supertramp]

TripleS said:

8Pack said: TripleS said: Dave - part time optimist. Er! What do you do in your spare time then dave? I get pessimistic - but I'm working on that bit. Best wishes all, Dave.

[ just wet myself laughing !]
Surely if you're feeling pessimistic you can't think that any efforts you make to feel more optimistic are going to succeed ?

[supertramp]

Excellent "bun-fight" indeed.

I really want the point about driving without a speedo to be considered and pursued, especially by the "law is the law and shalt be strictly enforced" contingent.

Are there really drivers out there that could not drive safely without referring to a speedo?

[8Pack]

Wildcat Meine liebechen, don't think we agree, at least not fully, on the old Politiky thing, but Boy! Do I agree with a lot of what you say. Oh! Don't forget the - :/retractclaws: mode switch at the end. 8Pack.



>> Edited by 8Pack on Thursday 14th October 02:47