ACPO an "unaccountable club"
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streaky said:
These are not my words, but those of Ken MacDonald, former DPP.
He goes on to describe the ACPO as composed of "senior policemen who have tended over the years to serve their own interests".
Another convert, then.
Streaky
Not everyone at ACPO is a senior policeman!He goes on to describe the ACPO as composed of "senior policemen who have tended over the years to serve their own interests".
Another convert, then.
Streaky
However I accept the bit about them serving their own interests... especially the RSS division!
Their so called expert who wrote the speed meter handbook has shown at times to be a bit less expert than he claims, lies about his other (failed) business interests, and his membership of a professional body!
I wonder if Ken McDonald is even aware of that little bed of thorns yet?
Thing with ACPO is that there are so many agencies that are there to hold police to account or recommend standards and practices; APCO, HMIC, police and crime commissioners, NPIA now being replaced with parts of National Crime Agency, Home Office etc.
I know that many of these have different roles, but ultimately a single force is accountable to all of these in one way or another, so it's pretty confusing and it's easy to see why any one of these will face criticism for what they actually do (other than home office).
EDIT - Scott which company is this?
I know that many of these have different roles, but ultimately a single force is accountable to all of these in one way or another, so it's pretty confusing and it's easy to see why any one of these will face criticism for what they actually do (other than home office).
EDIT - Scott which company is this?
Fastdruid said:
premio said:
EDIT - Scott which company is this?
ACPO, it's a private, for profit company.Personally I think it's disgusting and dodgy as hell.
"Company Type: PRI/LBG/NSC (Private, Limited by guarantee, no share capital, use of 'Limited' exemption)
Nature of Business (SIC):
94120 - Activities of professional membership organizations"
where's the 'for profit' in that ?
given that
"Private company limited by guarantee: This company does not have a share capital and its members are guarantors rather than shareholders. The members' liability is limited to the amount they agree to contribute to the company's assets if it is wound up."
from
http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/about/gbhtml/gp1....
while ACPO has not charitable outputs and therefore can't register as a charity, Company limited by guarantee status is often used by charities to give the organisation a legal 'person' ....
also i doubt ACPO could register as a CIC either ...
a lot of the whinges about ACPOs company status are from those ignorant of the need for a organisation to be / have 'corporate person'
are you one of those types who moans about Charities being companies limited by guarantee?
It is a pressure group. It looks after the interests of its members, the senior officers. Given the corruption that has been uncovered in higher ranks in the various forces one wonders why the ACPO has kept silent about it. One wonders what it is doing to limit the degree of corruption evident in its membership.
One of the problems with the ACPO is that it is chummy with the government of the day. One can see the result of this with the intrigue over Murdoch. It has a press relations dept and various ACPO members organise soirees with journos and press barons which are unrecorded.
It is essentially a club where the members look to see what they can do for themselves. We should be thankful that they have little influence on police work.
Oddly, the only member of the ACPO who has had an influence on day to day police work and the life of the public was good old Dick nominative determinism Brunstrom. For all his faults, and there were more than one, dishonesty was not one of them. So when he joined the good old boys gave him something to do: traffic matters.
Like all senior command officers he had little or no idea about police work - he'd spent two years at uni studying for degrees so his time even at the blunt end was extremely limited. So all of a sudden speeding was important. Any other senior officer would have gone for a pint but not our Dick. The dangers of a command officer with authority, power and a desire to do good.
So perhaps the ACPO we have is not so bad after all.
One of the problems with the ACPO is that it is chummy with the government of the day. One can see the result of this with the intrigue over Murdoch. It has a press relations dept and various ACPO members organise soirees with journos and press barons which are unrecorded.
It is essentially a club where the members look to see what they can do for themselves. We should be thankful that they have little influence on police work.
Oddly, the only member of the ACPO who has had an influence on day to day police work and the life of the public was good old Dick nominative determinism Brunstrom. For all his faults, and there were more than one, dishonesty was not one of them. So when he joined the good old boys gave him something to do: traffic matters.
Like all senior command officers he had little or no idea about police work - he'd spent two years at uni studying for degrees so his time even at the blunt end was extremely limited. So all of a sudden speeding was important. Any other senior officer would have gone for a pint but not our Dick. The dangers of a command officer with authority, power and a desire to do good.
So perhaps the ACPO we have is not so bad after all.
mph1977 said:
ACPO is company no. 03344583
"Company Type: PRI/LBG/NSC (Private, Limited by guarantee, no share capital, use of 'Limited' exemption)
Nature of Business (SIC):
94120 - Activities of professional membership organizations"
where's the 'for profit' in that ?
"Company Type: PRI/LBG/NSC (Private, Limited by guarantee, no share capital, use of 'Limited' exemption)
Nature of Business (SIC):
94120 - Activities of professional membership organizations"
where's the 'for profit' in that ?
Apparently it doesn't have profits; it has an 'annual surplus'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1145581/Bo...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
mph1977 said:
ACPO has not charitable outputs and therefore can't register as a charity, Company limited by guarantee status is often used by charities to give the organisation a legal 'person'
ACPO Ltd. having the same business registration as some charities is a very long way from being a charity itself.mph1977 said:
a lot of the whinges about ACPOs company status are from those ignorant of the need for a organisation to be / have 'corporate person'
Please tell us ignorati why there is a need.Edited by Rovinghawk on Sunday 19th May 21:51
Mill Wheel said:
Not everyone at ACPO is a senior policeman!
However I accept the bit about them serving their own interests... especially the RSS division!
Their so called expert who wrote the speed meter handbook has shown at times to be a bit less expert than he claims, lies about his other (failed) business interests, and his membership of a professional body!
I wonder if Ken McDonald is even aware of that little bed of thorns yet?
Is this the sad little weasel of a man that I think it is? I had been told that he worked for a SCP, but now understand that it is this self-serving shower of b*stards.However I accept the bit about them serving their own interests... especially the RSS division!
Their so called expert who wrote the speed meter handbook has shown at times to be a bit less expert than he claims, lies about his other (failed) business interests, and his membership of a professional body!
I wonder if Ken McDonald is even aware of that little bed of thorns yet?
Deva Link said:
The people who work for it do pretty well out if it.
And not being a 'proper' public body means they escape much of the scutiny that would normally apply to such an organisation.
For example, FoI requests cannot be made on ACPO. Considering how deeply they are involved with formulating Police policy at government level, that troubles me.And not being a 'proper' public body means they escape much of the scutiny that would normally apply to such an organisation.
premio said:
Fastdruid said:
ACPO, it's a private, for profit company.
Personally I think it's disgusting and dodgy as hell.
I can't believe that I never knew! Just done some reading up on it, yes can definitely see why there might be conflict of interested. I'm pretty gobsmacked to be honest Personally I think it's disgusting and dodgy as hell.
I raised this link before in another discussion on here but the resident "double act" begged to differ. Perhaps they'll surface again.
GC8 said:
Mill Wheel said:
Not everyone at ACPO is a senior policeman!
However I accept the bit about them serving their own interests... especially the RSS division!
Their so called expert who wrote the speed meter handbook has shown at times to be a bit less expert than he claims, lies about his other (failed) business interests, and his membership of a professional body!
I wonder if Ken McDonald is even aware of that little bed of thorns yet?
Is this the sad little weasel of a man that I think it is? I had been told that he worked for a SCP, but now understand that it is this self-serving shower of b*stards.However I accept the bit about them serving their own interests... especially the RSS division!
Their so called expert who wrote the speed meter handbook has shown at times to be a bit less expert than he claims, lies about his other (failed) business interests, and his membership of a professional body!
I wonder if Ken McDonald is even aware of that little bed of thorns yet?
. It must really suck to be you Steve.
Presumably one of the reason ACPO formed was because there was no other publicly funded organisation to bring together all the Police Forces in the UK.
From what I understand ACPO do put pout various guidance to help all forces. If you got rid of ACPO presumably you would need something similar in place. Surely it is up to the Govt to do that -in the meantime I don't think you can necessarily blame ACPO for using its initiative to get stuff done.
From what I understand ACPO do put pout various guidance to help all forces. If you got rid of ACPO presumably you would need something similar in place. Surely it is up to the Govt to do that -in the meantime I don't think you can necessarily blame ACPO for using its initiative to get stuff done.
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