ACPO an "unaccountable club"
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And talking of unrepresentative and unanswerable police based institutions, the is also the College of policing. http://www.college.police.uk/en/home.htm
One of their latest publications is a directive to all forces on the way they will liaise with the media.
See http://college.pressofficeadmin.com/repository/fil...
One would assume that it is there to ensure that the corrupt police/media practices of the past can no longer continue by taking decisions away from the same ranks on an individual basis and give some direct guideline that all forces, and particularly their senior officers, will have to comply with.
So see para 3.5.
One of their latest publications is a directive to all forces on the way they will liaise with the media.
See http://college.pressofficeadmin.com/repository/fil...
One would assume that it is there to ensure that the corrupt police/media practices of the past can no longer continue by taking decisions away from the same ranks on an individual basis and give some direct guideline that all forces, and particularly their senior officers, will have to comply with.
So see para 3.5.
XDA said:
Rovinghawk said:
It's only fair that Pitsmansboots/steve Callaghan be allowed to give his side of the story.
Anything to say, Mr. C?
Indeed it is, and no ones prevented from giving his side...Anything to say, Mr. C?
Steve posts, then shuts up and disappears as soon as anyone raises the matter of his false claim in court when appearing as an "expert witness", that he held membership of the Engineering Council ... which had previously lapsed by a not insubstantial margin ... some four years!
It's a mark of the poor quality of some aspects of the criminal justice system that he was allowed to continue to present himself as an "expert".
Mind you, one definition of an "expert" is defined by: 'ex' is a has-been, and 'spurt' is a drip under pressure.
Streaky
It's a mark of the poor quality of some aspects of the criminal justice system that he was allowed to continue to present himself as an "expert".
Mind you, one definition of an "expert" is defined by: 'ex' is a has-been, and 'spurt' is a drip under pressure.
Streaky
I concur. I may have once got mailings that had MIIE after my name on them. I decided the subs cheques could be better spent on other things. I used the IEE library at Savoy Hill House a few times that was useful though.
Did he give his membership number in court? Just curious. I may have been a member longer than him, though I am sure many would say I've always been a bit of a member.
Did he give his membership number in court? Just curious. I may have been a member longer than him, though I am sure many would say I've always been a bit of a member.
Edited by carinaman on Friday 24th May 23:04
Rovinghawk said:
XDA said:
Rovinghawk said:
It's only fair that Pitsmansboots/steve Callaghan be allowed to give his side of the story.
Anything to say, Mr. C?
Indeed it is, and no ones prevented him from giving his side...Anything to say, Mr. C?
streaky said:
Steve posts, then shuts up and disappears as soon as anyone raises the matter of his false claim in court when appearing as an "expert witness", that he held membership of the Engineering Council ... which had previously lapsed by a not insubstantial margin ... some four years!
It more than just lapsed though! Seems he was kicked out....Make of that what you will.
XDA said:
No, he isn't a member of ACPO but works for one of its subsidiaries RSS Ltd but you already knew that? I condemn the organisation based on its secrecy and connection with such organisations like RSS Ltd.
If anyone's confused, it must be you! Let me refresh your memory:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
You're entitled to your opinion re "b
ks" and "conspiratorial crap", even if it makes you look rather silly.
There's a member on here who can quote endless examples of Steve Callaghan's lies. From what the member has told me, Callaghan deserves everything he gets and more.
That was a 22 page thread, if you have a point please at least tell me the page were I made the comments. It says something that you remembererd what I said back then cause I sure as hell don't. Perhaps you should get out more ?If anyone's confused, it must be you! Let me refresh your memory:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
You're entitled to your opinion re "b
ks" and "conspiratorial crap", even if it makes you look rather silly.There's a member on here who can quote endless examples of Steve Callaghan's lies. From what the member has told me, Callaghan deserves everything he gets and more.
Posting photoshop images of people in an attemp to score cheap points...yep still b
ks. A person who isn't even a member of ACPO.I suspect the dislike of ACPO has a lot to do with dislike for camera partnerships.
I don't really care for either camera partnerships or ACPP that much but it's more indifference than anything. There are far more important things in life to worry about.
However you guys do generally spout a lot of s
te and I can't help but comment 
Devil2575 said:
fluffnik said:
Can anyone explain why ACPO are not racketeering gangsters?
How about explaining why they are?Please enlighten me.
Mill Wheel said:
Devil2575 said:
How about explaining why they are?
Please enlighten me.
Perhaps he is referring to one of their Secured by Design endorsement deals, or their charging £70 for a criminal records check that costs them 60p?Please enlighten me.
Same question re SCPs, do individual members of ACPO benefit financially?
Devil2575 said:
XDA said:
No, he isn't a member of ACPO but works for one of its subsidiaries RSS Ltd but you already knew that? I condemn the organisation based on its secrecy and connection with such organisations like RSS Ltd.
If anyone's confused, it must be you! Let me refresh your memory:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
You're entitled to your opinion re "bks" and "conspiratorial crap", even if it makes you look rather silly.
There's a member on here who can quote endless examples of Steve Callaghan's lies. From what the member has told me, Callaghan deserves everything he gets and more.
That was a 22 page thread, if you have a point please at least tell me the page were I made the comments. It says something that you remembererd what I said back then cause I sure as hell don't. Perhaps you should get out more ?If anyone's confused, it must be you! Let me refresh your memory:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
You're entitled to your opinion re "b
ks" and "conspiratorial crap", even if it makes you look rather silly.There's a member on here who can quote endless examples of Steve Callaghan's lies. From what the member has told me, Callaghan deserves everything he gets and more.
Posting photoshop images of people in an attemp to score cheap points...yep still b
ks. A person who isn't even a member of ACPO.I suspect the dislike of ACPO has a lot to do with dislike for camera partnerships.
I don't really care for either camera partnerships or ACPP that much but it's more indifference than anything. There are far more important things in life to worry about.
However you guys do generally spout a lot of s
te and I can't help but comment ks, you tend to remember it. I'm not going to point out the page, as you'll have yet another excuse. The point is that it's all there for all to see, despite you claiming otherwise.Are you admitting that ACPO are partners in crime with SCP's?
If you don't care about ACPO, why are you getting involved in this topic and lecturing others? Are you admitting to trolling?
Maybe you have to ask yourself why former and current police officers dislike the inner workings of ACPO, but clearly think its all kosher. What do you know that they don't?
Devil2575 said:
XDA said:
fluffnik said:
Can anyone explain why ACPO are not racketeering gangsters?
I'm sure Devil2575 can. 
Please enlighten me.
Devil2575 said:
Mill Wheel said:
Devil2575 said:
How about explaining why they are?
Please enlighten me.
Perhaps he is referring to one of their Secured by Design endorsement deals, or their charging £70 for a criminal records check that costs them 60p?Please enlighten me.
Same question re SCPs, do individual members of ACPO benefit financially?
What's involved in a criminal records check? Not much more than running a PNC check I'd wager.
Re SCP's. The very people involved in the speed enforcement/technology policies conveniently run a subsidiary company that profits from speed enforcement....
I think you need to do some research before lecturing others?
I know it's the DM:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1145581/Bo...
Edited by XDA on Saturday 25th May 10:55
Mill Wheel said:
Devil2575 said:
How about explaining why they are?
Please enlighten me.
Perhaps he is referring to one of their Secured by Design endorsement deals, or their charging £70 for a criminal records check that costs them 60p?Please enlighten me.
Derek Smith said:
And talking of unrepresentative and unanswerable police based institutions, the is also the College of policing. http://www.college.police.uk/en/home.htm
One of their latest publications is a directive to all forces on the way they will liaise with the media.
god forbid that Practitioners attempt to professionalise away from the management of forces ... One of their latest publications is a directive to all forces on the way they will liaise with the media.
XDA said:
I read the article. Yes there are issues there to do with a lack of accountability etc but none which deserve the title racketeering gangsters. No one at ACPO is being paid a high salary or getting large bonuses based on numbers of speeding tickets issued or number of CRB checks carried out are they.
You might not like the connection with SCPs but speed cameras only enforce existing limits so again this hardly constitutes a major scam or other such hyperbole.
As for what I said in a thread some time ago. I'm not going to go back through 22 pages to try and work out what you are refering too. If you have something to say, just say it. Lots of people talk rubbish on PH, the fact that you remember what I said back then is rather worrying...do you keep records?
Devil2575 said:
Do individual members of ACPO benefit financially from these? Does a criminal record check really cost 60p? What is involved? To be honest £70 doesn't sound unreasonable.
Same question re SCPs, do individual members of ACPO benefit financially?
The management of ACPO benefit hugely with many on £100,000+ salaries.Same question re SCPs, do individual members of ACPO benefit financially?
SCP employees benefit from their employment, and protect their futures by claiming they are indispensable to the road safety cause.
Steve Callaghan claims he has business interests that mean he has no need to work.
Since at that time he claimed on Linkedin to be founder of a company with a £1 million annual turnover, which later turned out to be a failed business with a £7500 CCJ against him and the company, and Company House returns showed a TOTAL turnover for 5 years of less than £1 million, I would take ANYTHING he says with a degree of suspicion.
You (Devil2575)on the other hand seem to accept a rosy image of SCPs and ACPO on a level akin to belief in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
Good luck with that - it is quaint in this day and age of information technology, that somebody still holds such beliefs.
Meanwhile, I see REDSPEED have pulled Steve's endorsements of their products from the website.
But in case anyone missed it, here is the document showing an ACPO employee, and "expert" witness, promoting sales of speed meter equipment... addressing it to Dear Danny!
No conflict of interest there then?
Frank Garret was barred from passing himself off as an expert for a similar involvement, being salesman AND expert prosecution witness.
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