insurance question....

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baz1985

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3,598 posts

246 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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If one took out a fully comp policy and stated that you have 2yrs ncd when in reality you don't (but you've never had a claim). Say this policy was on a car worth £1500 and you have an accident and make a claim. Am I right in thinking that the insurance co won't cover your losses (if they discover your misrepresentation), but will the third party be covered anyhow. I know this is wrong, but its just a scenario that I'm investigating.

Baz

kevinday

11,641 posts

281 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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Yes the TP will be covered, however you would be looking at a criminal case for fraud, definitely not worth it. Normally a new Insurance Co will ask for proof on No Claims etc.

Why not just go TP or TP,F&T?

gone

6,649 posts

264 months

Tuesday 12th October 2004
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If you have knowingly made a false statement to obtain insurance, you will have committed offences.

If they find out that you have done so, they will void your cover and any claim and you may even be prosecuted for obtaining a pecuniary advantage under Section 16 Theft Act 1978!

vixpy1

42,625 posts

265 months

Wednesday 13th October 2004
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Since most insurers require proof that you actually had two years no claims.. i Struggle to see how you would get cover in the first place?

mcflurry

9,099 posts

254 months

Wednesday 13th October 2004
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you will also get an IN10, 6 points and ££ on your driving licence if caught. That will cost you a LOT more come renewal time.

loaf

850 posts

262 months

Wednesday 13th October 2004
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Technically you have mis-declared a material fact to the insurer; therefore they would be within their rights to terminate your contract summarily. As you are in possession of a Certificate of Motor Insurance which otherwise is valid, the third party can still make a claim and the insurer is obliged to pay; the insurer would almost certainly have recourse to you for their costs.


In reality a much more likely scenario is that they will reduce your NCD level to zero and take the difference in premium from you - unless the NCD level was a pre-requisite for offering cover e.g. a lot of places won;t cover under-25's unless they already have 2 or 3 years NCD, in which case the insurer will void the contract as falling outside their acceptance criteria.

Moral: don't lie to the insurance company...

baz1985

Original Poster:

3,598 posts

246 months

Wednesday 13th October 2004
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Thanks for the comments. I was just interested in acquiring info about possible consequences. I'm certainly not nor ever had the intention of using such a ploy. I'd have thought that some individuals would take such measures anyhow. However, could it not be argued that such a declaration is innocent misrepresentation i.e. you thought that you have never made a claim in 2 years so it would be logical to assume that you had 2yrs ncd (if you could convey that it was not made clear on the insurer's website how ncd was acquired which is often the case)?

Baz

loaf

850 posts

262 months

Wednesday 13th October 2004
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baz1985 said:
Thanks for the comments. I was just interested in acquiring info about possible consequences. I'm certainly not nor ever had the intention of using such a ploy. I'd have thought that some individuals would take such measures anyhow. However, could it not be argued that such a declaration is innocent misrepresentation i.e. you thought that you have never made a claim in 2 years so it would be logical to assume that you had 2yrs ncd (if you could convey that it was not made clear on the insurer's website how ncd was acquired which is often the case)?

Baz


Not really as all companies will ask to see proof of NCD from your previous insurer - if you can't do this some companies/brokers will ring the old insurer on your behalf, some will just reduce your NCD and take the extra premium - so playing the innocent won't go very far...

steveb*

30,260 posts

236 months

Wednesday 13th October 2004
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Golden rule of insurance: ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be honest....don't give the slippery so & sos a way out in the event of a problem.

Streetcop

5,907 posts

239 months

Wednesday 13th October 2004
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steveb* said:
Golden rule of insurance: ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be honest....don't give the slippery so & sos a way out in the event of a problem.


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baz1985

Original Poster:

3,598 posts

246 months

Wednesday 13th October 2004
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Streetcop said:

steveb* said:
Golden rule of insurance: ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be honest....don't give the slippery so & sos a way out in the event of a problem.



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Indeed. I had no intention of doing so anyway. Just some mates at uni brought up the topic.

Baz