Intimidating/dangerous driving by plod.What to do?
Discussion
Streetcop said:
But if a non-trafpol Bib isn't generating 'process' shouldn't that be dealt with by his/her superior (sorry, senior) officer?
No, no, no, no.....
It's not like that...traffic offences create hassle...people complain...Inspectors have to listen to their bollox arguements about why they were in the middle lane for 8 miles or why they had left their fog lights on..etc etc...and as a result the inspector thinks bollocks to this and advised the BiB to concentrate on the priorities:
1) Reduce anti-social behaviour
2) Tackle drug problems
3) Reduce the numbers of racial incidents
4) tackle car related theft
5) Reduce numbers of burglaries.
6) target violence and domestic disputes..
and if I see you giving decent members of the public tickets for no seat belt or parking on white zig zags, I'll have your fooking guts for garters Sonny Boy!!!! The fooking traffic department can sort that shit out....(all 60 of them between 5 shifts for a whole county!!!!
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ca092003 said:
BUT those officers who do not uphold the high standards of the office of Constable should be sacked.
Yep..and the chances are; you'll come nearer to being sacked if not really sacked from traffic offences. Nothing winds people up more...call their wife, their kids, their house=no probs, call their driving and get ready....
The numbers of violent incident and cs spraying and such like from simple traffic stops you wouldn't believe.
However, the hardest, smelliest, dirtiest burglar, shoplifter, drunk etc..wont give you any hassle and if they do, they'll have forgotten about it tomorrow...not be waiting in reception to see the Duty Inspector...
Street
Now do you see where I'm coming from...
edited to say...Christ....I wrote all that without reading your post ca092003 at the start of this page...see what I mean now
>> Edited by Streetcop on Thursday 28th October 20:13
OK. Would it be fair to say, then, that the vast majority of the law abiding public who come into contact with the BiB is when they have committed a breach of traffic regulations?
Now, I don't condone, it but I can understand it when the same people when they are the victims of other type of crime (crime that they themselves as much more serious) then they really do wonder about policing priorities.
Now, this is undoubtedly a can of worms.
The future of traffic police was discussed by me and some colleagues at length over the last few shifts...
We've come to the conclusion that the traffic departments might fall by the wayside in the next few years....
Firearms units will expand, community safety teams will increase and a very small motorway traffic section will survive along with a road death investigation team.
However, speed enforcement will totally be down to cameravans and static cameras and driver behaviour and such like will be left to normal beat bobbies.
Get ready for some sad times ahead...for all of you.
Street
dissillusioned
We've come to the conclusion that the traffic departments might fall by the wayside in the next few years....
Firearms units will expand, community safety teams will increase and a very small motorway traffic section will survive along with a road death investigation team.
However, speed enforcement will totally be down to cameravans and static cameras and driver behaviour and such like will be left to normal beat bobbies.
Get ready for some sad times ahead...for all of you.
Street
dissillusioned
Its a shame that the powers that be feel that trafpol should reduce in capacity. I doubt they would have noticed everything else they do along with roads policing.
I know their primary task is traffic, but i have seen them many a time dealing with other offences in progress. (mainly immediates) or backing up other officers when the shout comes through as they are by far the quickest responding units to any immediate that is near to them wether it be burglaries or assistance shouts. And by removing this facility or rapid response and moving them back to pandas is going to be a loss not only to the public but to the officers who rely of fast response to a assistance shout.
I know their primary task is traffic, but i have seen them many a time dealing with other offences in progress. (mainly immediates) or backing up other officers when the shout comes through as they are by far the quickest responding units to any immediate that is near to them wether it be burglaries or assistance shouts. And by removing this facility or rapid response and moving them back to pandas is going to be a loss not only to the public but to the officers who rely of fast response to a assistance shout.
ca092003 said:
ca092003 said:
But if a non-trafpol Bib isn't generating 'process' shouldn't that be dealt with by his/her superior (sorry, senior) officer?
No, no, no, no.....
It's not like that...traffic offences create hassle...people complain...Inspectors have to listen to their bollox arguements about why they were in the middle lane for 8 miles or why they had left their fog lights on..etc etc...and as a result the inspector thinks bollocks to this and advised the BiB to concentrate on the priorities:
1) Reduce anti-social behaviour
2) Tackle drug problems
3) Reduce the numbers of racial incidents
4) tackle car related theft
5) Reduce numbers of burglaries.
6) target violence and domestic disputes..
ca092003 said:
BUT those officers who do not uphold the high standards of the office of Constable should be sacked.
Yep..and the chances are; you'll come nearer to being sacked if not really sacked from traffic offences. Nothing winds people up more...call their wife, their kids, their house=no probs, call their driving and get ready....
The numbers of violent incident and cs spraying and such like from simple traffic stops you wouldn't believe.
However, the hardest, smelliest, dirtiest burglar, shoplifter, drunk etc..wont give you any hassle and if they do, they'll have forgotten about it tomorrow...not be waiting in reception to see the Duty Inspector...
Street
Now do you see where I'm coming from...
edited to say...Christ....I wrote all that without reading your post ca092003 at the start of this page...see what I mean now
>> Edited by Streetcop on Thursday 28th October 20:13
OK. Would it be fair to say, then, that the vast majority of the law abiding public who come into contact with the BiB is when they have committed a breach of traffic regulations?
Now, I don't condone, it but I can understand it when the same people when they are the victims of other type of crime (crime that they themselves as much more serious) then they really do wonder about policing priorities.
Now, this is undoubtedly a can of worms.
I know what your saying but, i have stopped quite alot of people for driving offences wether it be a dodgey stop lamp or the manor of their driving. And depending on the person i stop i usually give advice and if warrented they get a ticket.
As for policing priorites, i think the public have a narrow view of what and why we do things. Often a simple traffic stop can disclose a whole host of other things, a dodgey stop lamp could disclose, Drunk Driver, wanted driver for other offences, stolen vehicle, uninsured driver, disqual driver. We dont PNC every car we see so the ones that draw out attention get checked and can lead to a good result.
There are alot of people stopped who just get a telling off or advice and alot get £30 or £60 tickets. But its better we we stop and check these people just in case it discloses something else. Probably the majority or crims use cars to travel to and from jobs, so a stop could show stolen goods in the car and thus the offender in a burglary 30 mins ago.
Would the public rather we stoped and checked motorists for minor RT offences and get a few results, or not check any and alot of offenders will go unchecked?
[quote]1. Shouldn't the police have stopped the biker as soon as he had committed an offence, if they were going to do so at all? He certainly wasn't committing one when he was stopped at the lights and they put their blues on. Were they allowing him the opportunity to commit a more serious offence, and so endangering the public? [/quote]
What's to say they were stopping him for speeding? he may have been known to them for some other offence, non motor related. They obviously didn't stand much chance catching him on a bike, when they're in a Landy,possibly waiting for back-up with something more appropriate, so what did you do? warn the tosser that Plod was on his tail!
You should have moved over and let him get on with it.
What's to say they were stopping him for speeding? he may have been known to them for some other offence, non motor related. They obviously didn't stand much chance catching him on a bike, when they're in a Landy,possibly waiting for back-up with something more appropriate, so what did you do? warn the tosser that Plod was on his tail!
You should have moved over and let him get on with it.
gafferjm, move over to where? stop at the side of the road to let a dangerously driving police car go past me even though he's given no indication of the intention to go past me?
Don't be ridiculous.
If he'd wanted to, he could have gone past me on Belgravia Square anyway. He was driving like a tw*t.
And yes, telling the biker that a police car had been following him was a way to reduce the likelihood of unsafe riding, as well as depriving a police driver who had been driving unsafely of the opportunity to get a "better" collar than he did.
No regrets.
I trust you don't pull over to the side of the road every time you see a police car without its lights flashing?
Don't be ridiculous.
If he'd wanted to, he could have gone past me on Belgravia Square anyway. He was driving like a tw*t.
And yes, telling the biker that a police car had been following him was a way to reduce the likelihood of unsafe riding, as well as depriving a police driver who had been driving unsafely of the opportunity to get a "better" collar than he did.
No regrets.
I trust you don't pull over to the side of the road every time you see a police car without its lights flashing?
charltm said:
Gary,
Thanks for the very good reply (esp. the last bit) on Saturday.
Matt
Hiya Matt..
Do you mean this bit...
The Streetcop guy said:
As for following speeding drivers to see if they will do something else; absolutely. Before I put points on a licence or take a licence from someone, I like to know if they actually deserve it or whether it's a moment of adrenalin or just an oversight.
^Slider^ said:
To be fair, all we hear is criticism of police drivers. !
Strangely, that's all I have ever had from them, too, about my driving.
Not once have they commented when it's been absolutely standard quality.
Has anyone else had the police pull yo over for a chat when you were driving completely normally, or has it tended to only crop up when they have a complaint?
Why would it be different the other way round? Why would anyone post "I saw a police car doing 70 in an NSL today, about 80 yards back from the car in front"?
northernboy said:
To be fair, all we hear is criticism of police drivers. !
Strangely, that's all I have ever had from them, too, about my driving.
Not once have they commented when it's been absolutely standard quality.
Has anyone else had the police pull yo over for a chat when you were driving completely normally, or has it tended to only crop up when they have a complaint?
A postman has never knocked at my door to tell me I've not got any mail today.....
Street
northernboy said:
To be fair, all we hear is criticism of police drivers. !
Strangely, that's all I have ever had from them, too, about my driving.
Not once have they commented when it's been absolutely standard quality.
Has anyone else had the police pull yo over for a chat when you were driving completely normally, or has it tended to only crop up when they have a complaint?
Funny you should say that northern.
Many moons ago when I started the job a new 'directive' was to stop drivers that were observed driving well, and give them a keyring.
It worked well (for some) until the complaints came in.
These were normally of the " I was on my way to work, was stopped by a police car, given a sodding key ring to tell me I was driving legally - haven't they got better things to do"
Can't win mate
Mind you, I never stopped anyone for driving well, I would have felt a complete turkey.
I think its a nice idea. Maybe you could give out badges and lollipops and stickers and things. That would be cool.
Seriously I think its a good idea. Perhaps just not down the number plate and get them sent an automated letter saying that the police thought they were doing well
Its nice for the police to be nice (all the ones i've ever dealt with have been, even the one who searched my bag for a gun on the way home from school! (long story)).
Seriously I think its a good idea. Perhaps just not down the number plate and get them sent an automated letter saying that the police thought they were doing well
Its nice for the police to be nice (all the ones i've ever dealt with have been, even the one who searched my bag for a gun on the way home from school! (long story)).
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