Did I deserve to get banned?
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and another thing, if you weren`t injured or anybody else, no roadside property damaged, it would probably not get reported in the Met.
To think, I dealt with a serious accident where one driver had run off after the accident, leaving two people in a wrecked car which was smouldering about to catch fire, after 10 weeks of investigation, I finally catch the guy. He`s charged with WDC,FTS at scene of RTA, Not reporting RTA, No Insurance (The reason he didn`t stay at the scene)Obstucting Police (lying) and No driving Licence.....his penalty???
Go on guess.........
Two months disqual, £250.00 fine.
The two people in the car are recovering.
To think, I dealt with a serious accident where one driver had run off after the accident, leaving two people in a wrecked car which was smouldering about to catch fire, after 10 weeks of investigation, I finally catch the guy. He`s charged with WDC,FTS at scene of RTA, Not reporting RTA, No Insurance (The reason he didn`t stay at the scene)Obstucting Police (lying) and No driving Licence.....his penalty???
Go on guess.........
Two months disqual, £250.00 fine.
The two people in the car are recovering.
redline dan said:
looking as far down the road as I could, and I saw no cars, ... The bend masked an oncoming car, and I'd Dan
It seems to me that this is the key point "The bend masked an oncoming car" - it is not safe to overtake if you do not have a clear view - that includes bends, dips in the road, hedges, side-roads, farm entrances, fog, rain, etc.
To overtake where you do not have a clear view is 'dangerous', no?
(isn't it easy to criticise someone elses actions!)
redline dan said:Afraid you deserved what you got mate, in fact I’m astonished that you even asked the question!
...my question is – Would you feel aggrieved if you were in my position, or do I deserve what I got? Dan
I'd be bloody furious if I met someone like you coming the other way performing a dodgy overtaking manoeuvre on my side of the road. Just accept that you bogged-up and be more thoughtful in a year’s time. Rich…
the main problem was that there was an oncoming car obscured by the bend in the road (however slight the bend).
Its an easy mistake to make when you can see most of the road and think its clear, but unless you can see both edges of the road dont overtake.
Ihave had a nasty surprise when i could see most of the road and did not beleive a car could be so narrow as not to be see when I could see 80% of all of the road. There was a car. Luckly I could pull back in and abort the manover.
Since then, having been through the IAM and Rospoa and then to teach others for Rospa, a key bit of advice for overtaking is to ensure you can see all of the width of the road before overtaking. Alos say aloud 'Bike' it will make you thing and hopefully 'see' if a bike is hidden as well.
Good luck, a learning experience which you can one day pass to your child.
Its an easy mistake to make when you can see most of the road and think its clear, but unless you can see both edges of the road dont overtake.
Ihave had a nasty surprise when i could see most of the road and did not beleive a car could be so narrow as not to be see when I could see 80% of all of the road. There was a car. Luckly I could pull back in and abort the manover.
Since then, having been through the IAM and Rospoa and then to teach others for Rospa, a key bit of advice for overtaking is to ensure you can see all of the width of the road before overtaking. Alos say aloud 'Bike' it will make you thing and hopefully 'see' if a bike is hidden as well.
Good luck, a learning experience which you can one day pass to your child.
I can't help thinking this is harsh.
Tell me anyone - what sort of a punishment is this?
What sort of rehabilitation will Dan get?
None, by the looks of it.
Nobody was killed, just VERY shaken up.
We've all made mistakes on the road similar to this, albeit not with the same outcome. We've all overtaken a car or something and *just* made the gap. Surge of adrenalin, thinking "bloody hell, that was a bit tight" or something along those lines.
Only the other day, I was going up the hill from me (some of you will know which one), just coming out of the 40 limit, when a FIRE ENGINE came blazing round the corner, blues flashing. However, it was UNDERSTEERING towards me, edging onto my side of the road. He eased off, the back came in, and he carried on.
I had to pull over in layby up the road, in spite of being in the Merc it really shitted me up, seeing 10 tons of red iron coming right at me.
As Gone said, how about an advanced driving course? Perhaps a fine and points as well?
Nah, sorry, this is way OTT. He wasn't pissed or stoned, he was just unfortunate to lose control of his car. Nobody died.
A disgrace, in my opinion.
Greg
Tell me anyone - what sort of a punishment is this?
What sort of rehabilitation will Dan get?
None, by the looks of it.
Nobody was killed, just VERY shaken up.
We've all made mistakes on the road similar to this, albeit not with the same outcome. We've all overtaken a car or something and *just* made the gap. Surge of adrenalin, thinking "bloody hell, that was a bit tight" or something along those lines.
Only the other day, I was going up the hill from me (some of you will know which one), just coming out of the 40 limit, when a FIRE ENGINE came blazing round the corner, blues flashing. However, it was UNDERSTEERING towards me, edging onto my side of the road. He eased off, the back came in, and he carried on.
I had to pull over in layby up the road, in spite of being in the Merc it really shitted me up, seeing 10 tons of red iron coming right at me.
As Gone said, how about an advanced driving course? Perhaps a fine and points as well?
Nah, sorry, this is way OTT. He wasn't pissed or stoned, he was just unfortunate to lose control of his car. Nobody died.
A disgrace, in my opinion.
Greg
agreed
I feel the decision made to ban him was harsh. He crashed because of his own actions. He damaged his own property. He didn't kill or harm anyone else. Everyone makes mistakes. It's just unfortunate that this guy will have to live with his for at least ten years until his insurance gets back to normal. If he had tried to pull in, the P plater could have crashed into him (or vice versa), causing the oncoming car to crash into them both, and fatalities would almost definitely be a part of this accident. As it is, he is lucky to be alive after rolling a soft top. More than that, he is also lucky he didn't harm anyone else as I have stated before. The issue is not whether he made a dangerous overtake (which in my opinion it was, as it was done on what is a blind bend) but whether he should be banned, and I feel points and a fine would be more appropriate in this case.
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It was a mistake. An error. There was no premeditation, nor deliberate risk taking. The circumstances were such that I acted in error, and paid the price.Unquote
No - you took a chance - it was premeditated in the fact that you chose to overtake when you couldn't comply with 142 of the Highway Code - no error ? More like sheer stupidity with the inbuilt risk of causing injury and damage to 3rd parties! Did you consider what effect your action might have had on the learner?
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I know how to overtake, so don't need to be told what I should have done.
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Er... I'd reconsider that remark - if you knew how to overtake you wouldn't have got yourself in in your current predicament.
Sorry, mate, no sympathy here.
Piccy mate
It was a mistake. An error. There was no premeditation, nor deliberate risk taking. The circumstances were such that I acted in error, and paid the price.Unquote
No - you took a chance - it was premeditated in the fact that you chose to overtake when you couldn't comply with 142 of the Highway Code - no error ? More like sheer stupidity with the inbuilt risk of causing injury and damage to 3rd parties! Did you consider what effect your action might have had on the learner?
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I know how to overtake, so don't need to be told what I should have done.
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Er... I'd reconsider that remark - if you knew how to overtake you wouldn't have got yourself in in your current predicament.
Sorry, mate, no sympathy here.
Piccy mate
Anyone think this 12 month ban will make Dan a better driver than a 6 month ban or (whispers) no ban plus some tuition ?
Sounds like Dan has learned his lesson to me...
Of course if I was coming the other way hanging off my bike I'd have had a few choice words for you as I removed myself from the hedgerow or off your bonnet !
Glad you're okay and hope the ban isn't harming your family life.
I suppose the lay off might make somebody else reading about your story call a split second decision in a better way.
Sounds like Dan has learned his lesson to me...
Of course if I was coming the other way hanging off my bike I'd have had a few choice words for you as I removed myself from the hedgerow or off your bonnet !
Glad you're okay and hope the ban isn't harming your family life.
I suppose the lay off might make somebody else reading about your story call a split second decision in a better way.
redline dan said:
I know how to overtake, so don't need to be told what I should have done. I know full well what I should have done, and that is not overtake at all!!!
Like I said.
You do not know how to overtake! from the description you have given in your original account, it is obvious that you are unaware of the safe procedures to do so!
Take a course and learn properly
KITT said:
Disgrace. Talk about kicking a guy when he's down. Crashing a car, through your own fault or someone else's, teaches you far more about what to do next time than any punishment a court can give. Not impressed.
Most people are unimpressed by the decision of a court unless it goes in their favour
A couple of things have got to me about this thread.
1st is the very holier than thou attitude of some of the members refering to Dan's overtaking manouvere.
I defy one person on this entire forum to say they have never made a mistake whilst driving, whether it be poor road position, bad overtaking manouvere whatever. We are all human and as such fallible. We all do things we might later regret in the heat of the moment, and I'm sure that we all have suffered at the hands of a slowcoach. Dan asked for advice on his sentenance not references to his driving skill which he openly admits was on this occasion poor.
2nd in light of the example provided by will crash and the other stories you hear on a regular basis concerning some chavscum, illegal immigrant no hoper scrote getting away literally with Murder when involved in RTA's and the like. I feel Dans treatment has been harsh. And this is perhaps the core of the arguement regarding sentencing is that there appears to be little continuity and consistancy from the magistrates and Judges concerning sentences, bans and fines.
3rd Dan has openly admitted he has learnt a valuable leason and I'm sure will be a better driver for this unfortunate incident, but the fact he was never offered any further driver training, I feel is a sad indietment of how little emphasis is placed by our Government on road users training and competancy. I'm not sure if Dan would have appreciated several weeks of re-training but if this had been offered as an incentive to a reduced Ban then I would certainly take the offer.
I'm glad that nobody was injured, safe driving all.
1st is the very holier than thou attitude of some of the members refering to Dan's overtaking manouvere.
I defy one person on this entire forum to say they have never made a mistake whilst driving, whether it be poor road position, bad overtaking manouvere whatever. We are all human and as such fallible. We all do things we might later regret in the heat of the moment, and I'm sure that we all have suffered at the hands of a slowcoach. Dan asked for advice on his sentenance not references to his driving skill which he openly admits was on this occasion poor.
2nd in light of the example provided by will crash and the other stories you hear on a regular basis concerning some chavscum, illegal immigrant no hoper scrote getting away literally with Murder when involved in RTA's and the like. I feel Dans treatment has been harsh. And this is perhaps the core of the arguement regarding sentencing is that there appears to be little continuity and consistancy from the magistrates and Judges concerning sentences, bans and fines.
3rd Dan has openly admitted he has learnt a valuable leason and I'm sure will be a better driver for this unfortunate incident, but the fact he was never offered any further driver training, I feel is a sad indietment of how little emphasis is placed by our Government on road users training and competancy. I'm not sure if Dan would have appreciated several weeks of re-training but if this had been offered as an incentive to a reduced Ban then I would certainly take the offer.
I'm glad that nobody was injured, safe driving all.
tvrslag said:
A couple of things have got to me about this thread.
1st is the very holier than thou attitude of some of the members refering to Dan's overtaking manouvere.
I defy one person on this entire forum to say they have never made a mistake whilst driving, whether it be poor road position, bad overtaking manouvere whatever. We are all human and as such fallible. We all do things we might later regret in the heat of the moment, and I'm sure that we all have suffered at the hands of a slowcoach. Dan asked for advice on his sentenance not references to his driving skill which he openly admits was on this occasion poor.
2nd in light of the example provided by will crash and the other stories you hear on a regular basis concerning some chavscum, illegal immigrant no hoper scrote getting away literally with Murder when involved in RTA's and the like. I feel Dans treatment has been harsh. And this is perhaps the core of the arguement regarding sentencing is that there appears to be little continuity and consistancy from the magistrates and Judges concerning sentences, bans and fines.
3rd Dan has openly admitted he has learnt a valuable leason and I'm sure will be a better driver for this unfortunate incident, but the fact he was never offered any further driver training, I feel is a sad indietment of how little emphasis is placed by our Government on road users training and competancy. I'm not sure if Dan would have appreciated several weeks of re-training but if this had been offered as an incentive to a reduced Ban then I would certainly take the offer.
I'm glad that nobody was injured, safe driving all.
tvrslag
I find your thinking on this pretty worrying. You seem to be of the opinion that it is up to the authorities to somehow fix the fact that Dan needs to up his driving skill level. Whatever happened to individual responsibility?
Simply taking additional tuition in order to get a reduced ban is a ridiculous situation. Take the tuition because you recognise that your skill level isn't up to scratch. At least that way, you might actually learn something rather than simply going through the motions.
This is the type of driver behaviuor that I do want to see the authorities crack down on.
How is it that I can find the time and the money to do additional driver training, but others can't?
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