Did I deserve to get banned?
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gone said:Very few are, unfortunately. I was very fortunate that my father, a driving enthusiast and IAM member, very specifically taught me how to overtake. Not only by example but by tuition. I'm endebted to him for it.
Have you ever been taught to overtake properly?
From what you have posted it would appear you have not!
Not surprising though as nobody is taught to do it. They learn from watching others, mainly their parents and friends.
I think it's terrible that neither overtaking nor motorway driving are taught to learner drivers and both are learned by trial & error after passing one's test.
Having said that, I can't see how overtaking could be taught officially these days as a) it is rarely possible to perform without breaking the limit (unless following a 20mph numpty in an NSL) and b) is considered evil and reckless by most sandalists / lentilists.
I am absolutely astounded by the all round glibness being displayed on this thread.
I sincerely hope that those of you who have responded suggesting our hero deserved all he got dont make a judgement and then
it up...
Its very very very easily done and not one of you is even close to perfect.
He who laughs last and all that...
I sincerely hope that those of you who have responded suggesting our hero deserved all he got dont make a judgement and then
it up... Its very very very easily done and not one of you is even close to perfect.
He who laughs last and all that...
Dan, congratulations on your survival and may you last many more years.
Will you be using the picture in your "It'll Polish Out" section?
Perhaps your infamy as a motoring magazine contributor had a bearing on the courts decision.
Perhaps with that overtake (such as it was) you should change your name to Desperate Dan rather than RedlineDan.
Take it easy when you get your licence back nobody wants to lose you.
>> Edited by SteveCallaghan on Thursday 4th November 14:42
Will you be using the picture in your "It'll Polish Out" section?
Perhaps your infamy as a motoring magazine contributor had a bearing on the courts decision.
Perhaps with that overtake (such as it was) you should change your name to Desperate Dan rather than RedlineDan.
Take it easy when you get your licence back nobody wants to lose you.
>> Edited by SteveCallaghan on Thursday 4th November 14:42
ca092003 said:
So let's not address the cause of the problem (i.e. bad driving) but just focus on how unfair it is that Dan got banned. 
Bad driving? Know that for sure do you, you were there and you saw it all?
What possible use is keeping him off the road for a year?
If we follow your argument that action will make him a worse driver as regular experience is a good a learning aid as anything else.
>> Edited by Plotloss on Thursday 4th November 14:46
SteveCallaghan said:
Dan, congratulations on your survival and may you last many more years.
Will you be using the picture in your "It'll Polish Out" section?
Perhaps your infamy as a motoring magazine contributor had a bearing on the courts decision.
Perhaps with that overtake (such as it was) you should change your name to Desperate Dan rather than RedlineDan.
Take it easy when you get your licence back nobody wants to lose you.
>> Edited by SteveCallaghan on Thursday 4th November 14:42
I don't know what magazine Dan 'does' but if what you say is true, then it astounds me even more. To think that someone who can potentially influence many people through the medida, has a driving skill level like this, just amazes me.
If I was made of money, I would pay for Dan to do a 'proper' advanced driving course and then report back his thoughts upon completion. But I'm not and I can't.
ca092003 said:
So one mistake, one momentary lapse of concentration makes him a bad driver?
Give the circumstances that Dan has described, then I WOULD describe him as a bad driver, in need of further tuition.
But, you as an 'advanced driver' must have to admit that not all accidents are driver error and never will be...
Without knowing the complete facts I find it a rather obnoxious stance to take to suggest that someone you have never met or been driven by is a bad driver regardless of what they write on a web forum...
ca092003 said:So your thinking is, that because he's had a crash, he is therefore a bad driver? We all make mistakes, most of the time we get away with it. However, sometimes it goes pear-shaped. We then have to live with the mistake and their consequences. Slapping a fine and ban on someone because of a mistake is wrong. The court system is there to punish the criminals, not people who have made a mistake.
I don't know what magazine Dan 'does' but if what you say is true, then it astounds me even more. To think that someone who can potentially influence many people through the medida, has a driving skill level like this, just amazes me.
Oh hang about, he's a driver therefore he is a criminal
SteveCallaghan said:
Dan, congratulations on your survival and may you last many more years.
Will you be using the picture in your "It'll Polish Out" section?
Perhaps your infamy as a motoring magazine contributor had a bearing on the courts decision.
Perhaps with that overtake (such as it was) you should change your name to Desperate Dan rather than RedlineDan.
Take it easy when you get your licence back nobody wants to lose you.
>> Edited by SteveCallaghan on Thursday 4th November 14:42
But Liebchen
What was that advice that Cooperman brought to us courtesy of link to your site....
Something about it being dangerous to overtake on a straight
He was following your advice here..... he overtook on the b
d bend - und not the straight Cannot resist chucking that one back at you...
But Liebchen ... on subject of the overtake ... too many do not know how to do it properly....Dan was silly to overtake in bend.... girly in the "P" car ... was not driving fast - but perhaps 40 mph was speed she judged to be her "safest" speed as new driver.... that ist why she warned Dan mit "P" plate in first place und that ist the C-oncentration/C-onsideration/C-ourtesy element of COAST
O-bservation - the bend in road
A-nticipation - chance that unseen car may be approaching from other side of bend.
S/T - allowing space and time for the overtake - also missing - nicht?
But ..... was he harshly treated....from what he describes - possibly - but it depends how much police and CPS decided on the "reasonably foreseeable" by fairly competent driver - does it not? In this case - they appeared to have decided this charge and been able to prove it to magistrate...
Perhaps his job, type of car may have made them think this chap was experienced enough to know better und thus warranted stiffer charge - if that ist case then
not a fair judgement - prejudiced. Do not know if he can appeal to get reduction? Dan has no doubt analysed his actions over and over again...without doubt learned that overtake near bend ist
Perhaps he will do driving course in bid to get insurance quote reduced by a cat's whisker....
Glad he ist still here to talk about it - part of me thinks "rough justice" and another part cannot see how competent driver can think to overtake on approach to bend und not show courtesy to new driver - - maybe that ist why they decided on the "dangerous" as opposed to "WDC"/"careless"/"negligent" ones.
SteveCallaghan said:
Dan, congratulations on your survival and may you last many more years.
Will you be using the picture in your "It'll Polish Out" section?
Perhaps your infamy as a motoring magazine contributor had a bearing on the courts decision.
Perhaps with that overtake (such as it was) you should change your name to Desperate Dan rather than RedlineDan.
Take it easy when you get your licence back nobody wants to lose you.
>> Edited by SteveCallaghan on Thursday 4th November 14:42
Patronising sod!
Nice generalisation there mate.
So does the fact you're someone in the Cumbria Safety Camera Partnership make you a complete c**t?
I think one of your cameras needs filling.
>> Edited by GregE240 on Thursday 4th November 15:21
will crash said:Just re-reading this thread and somehow missed this post first time.
and another thing, if you weren`t injured or anybody else, no roadside property damaged, it would probably not get reported in the Met.
To think, I dealt with a serious accident where one driver had run off after the accident, leaving two people in a wrecked car which was smouldering about to catch fire, after 10 weeks of investigation, I finally catch the guy. He`s charged with WDC,FTS at scene of RTA, Not reporting RTA, No Insurance (The reason he didn`t stay at the scene)Obstucting Police (lying) and No driving Licence.....his penalty???
Go on guess.........
Two months disqual, £250.00 fine.
The two people in the car are recovering.
This just underlines that fact that the courts are punishing the wrong people! I mean this guy is obviously scum who deserves to be locked away, but gets a small fine and a light ban. Now Dan, who I'm assuming pays his insurance, tax etc., makes a mistake, not effecting anyone else, and gets a far harsher sentence. It's all fubar
will crash said:
and another thing, if you weren`t injured or anybody else, no roadside property damaged, it would probably not get reported in the Met.
To think, I dealt with a serious accident where one driver had run off after the accident, leaving two people in a wrecked car which was smouldering about to catch fire, after 10 weeks of investigation, I finally catch the guy. He`s charged with WDC,FTS at scene of RTA, Not reporting RTA, No Insurance (The reason he didn`t stay at the scene)Obstucting Police (lying) and No driving Licence.....his penalty???
Go on guess.........
Two months disqual, £250.00 fine.
The two people in the car are recovering.
This is the thing that really F
S me off in this country. Law Obiding citizen gets 12 month ban and all the drunk,uninsured,disqaulified drivers getting let off with lower sentences. Only happens because they know they will get their money out of us, whereas with an uninsured/disqualified driver they probably don't hold much hope.
This is so wrong.
B
Y nanny state mungo said:
But how can someone get a disqaulified driving period when they aren't qaulified to drive in the first instance?
Been like that for years mate.
Remember the old Jack Dee gag.
Banning joyriders.
What are you up to tonight?
Going out joyriding, coming?
Nah, lost me license...
Plotloss said:
So let's not address the cause of the problem (i.e. bad driving) but just focus on how unfair it is that Dan got banned.
Bad driving? Know that for sure do you, you were there and you saw it all?
>> Edited by Plotloss on Thursday 4th November 14:46
I think if you re-read Dan's post, you will see that when it comes to executing that particular overtake, it *was* bad driving.
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