Summonsed for 99 on motorway

[baz1985]

mate got 6pts/250 for 97 at 1am om m62.

baz

[Streetcop]

sixspeed said:

I've always been very dubious of these systems (isn't VASCAR another one?). They seem extremely open to error/abuse (not that any Police Officer would ever do that?!). I suppose if its backed up by video camera then thats ok, but do all cars equipped with these cars have to be video equipped too? -andy-

Every vascar equipped traffic car in my force is also fitted with a video camera...which obviously records when the checks were made..audible too...

[TripleS]

doobs too said:

Do the officers take account of paralax error? I've wondered this with GATSO's as well, they don't look straight down they are at an angle. I set a GATSO off the other day by driving accross it's field of vision at far less then the posted speed limit. (turning into a side road).

Yes I've been wondering about the same questions. If the police officer starts the clock a fraction late at the first point, and stops it a fraction early at the second point, the speed would be a significantly overstated.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[hertsbiker]

TripleS said:

doobs too said: Do the officers take account of paralax error? I've wondered this with GATSO's as well, they don't look straight down they are at an angle. I set a GATSO off the other day by driving accross it's field of vision at far less then the posted speed limit. (turning into a side road). Yes I've been wondering about the same questions. If the police officer starts the clock a fraction late at the first point, and stops it a fraction early at the second point, the speed would be a significantly overstated. Best wishes all, Dave.

Of course, this *never* happens. Does it. Huh, not sure about this. I'd like to think that the BiB are not corrupt, but as they are only human beings like everyone else, I'm sure that it is possible to be fitted up if you get away with it too many times.

[will crash]

I`m sorry why on earth would a traff pol fit up a motorist he or she has never met for a poxy 3 points and £60.00 fine??
It`s not as if the motoring public make it hard for us....if people want to speed if full view of marked Police vehicles then they must accept the end result.
Don`t forget that the Pilot is confirming opinion that the vehicle was speeding.

[TripleS]

will crash said:

I`m sorry why on earth would a traff pol fit up a motorist he or she has never met for a poxy 3 points and £60.00 fine?? It`s not as if the motoring public make it hard for us....if people want to speed if full view of marked Police vehicles then they must accept the end result. Don`t forget that the Pilot is confirming opinion that the vehicle was speeding.

I wasn't suggesting that a police driver would deliberately fiddle the result to 'fit up' a motorist etc.

It was merely a question of inaccuracy in the button pressing, which in a single crewing situation would be done by the driver. This surely makes errors even more likely than if a police colleague is present to carry out the speed check.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[turbobloke]

doobs too said:

Do the officers take account of paralax error?

That's a good point worth asking at a relevant time

doobs too said:

I've wondered this with GATSO's as well, they don't look straight down they are at an angle.

This would be beneficial to the driver. If any speed detection equipment is pointing at an angle to a car, the measured speed is along the line of sight not the car's direction of travel, and will always be less. The multiplier is the cosine of the angle between the two, which is always less than 1 for any angle above zero.

[turbobloke]

will crash said:

I`m sorry why on earth would a traff pol fit up a motorist he or she has never met for a poxy 3 points and £60.00 fine??

It's already happened once in a case that came to Court, a couple of BiBs were on speedtax harvesting duty but had switched off for the day when Mavis comes hooning along in her Maestro or whatever. One BiB decides to nab her on a made up speed. She got off because his BiB mate shopped him. Made the national media, the BiB involved escaped jail IIRC, but only just. Of course this never happens, nope, not ever, 'course not. Edited to add - guess we'd all accept it wouldn't happen with BiB posting on PH, suspect this is a specific kind of BiB not suffering from HUB (head up backside) but there are other types as in all walks of life.

>> Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 6th November 09:57

[nickwilcock]

The time between 2 fixed points method was used on an RAF base back in the 70s - the brainwave of a new Top Plod on camp. But being RAF Plod, they couldn't afford anything complicated. Plod A stood at one spot with a white handkerchief, Plod B stood a measured hundred yards or so away with stopwatch. The theory being, Chummy goes past Plod A who waves his hankie, Plod B sees it, starts stopwatch. If time at Plod B is less than whatever, it's "You're nicked me old china" time.....

Except that they forgot the devious ways of aircrew. So one day a very noisy TVR appears on the scene. As it passes Plod A, with much tyre squeal, smoke and noise, it accelerates up to a pretty fair clip, then stands on the anchors approaching Plod B, creeping past at walking pace at precisely the minimum time plus half a second, giving Plod B the finger. Plod B moans to Top Plod, Station Commander gets to hear of it, sends for Top Plod and tells him to stop being such a stupid arse and to go and do something more productive with his time. Later buys TVR-owning mate a beer in the Officers Mess, but suggests that it would be a good idea if he didn't wind up the station's Plod in future!

>> Edited by nickwilcock on Saturday 6th November 09:59

[WildCat]

BigBazza said:

Christ, do you need to know what colour undies he had on as well? This court business is more complicated than I thought lol!! Sorry, err it was junction of M1/M62, they pulled him on the slip.

Just to add to his sleepless nights .... that the one mit the 50 mph compulsory lollipop at one point (think the ist North bound onto M1? Tis while since I drove it....) und advisory - as you head through that tunnel to join M62 Westwards?

In which case .... he might be in bit more bother.....Schade!

[buckshee]

Why is it safe for a police driver to operate a hand-operated Vascar type system, (or whilst operating any machinery other than the actuall controls of the car he is driving) at speeds exceeding the speed limits, in pursuit of speeding motorists, when the use of mobile phones is deemed an offence? I consider that the use of mobile phones whilst driving is dangerous, as does the law relating to their use whilst driving. Are police drivers considered to have special abilities of concentration greater than the average motorist?

I recall a case where a lady waiting at traffic lights took a swig from a bottle, and was subsequently done for driving without due care IIRC. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[^Slider^]

buckshee said:

Why is it safe for a police driver to operate a hand-operated Vascar type system, (or whilst operating any machinery other than the actuall controls of the car he is driving) at speeds exceeding the speed limits, in pursuit of speeding motorists, when the use of mobile phones is deemed an offence? I consider that the use of mobile phones whilst driving is dangerous, as does the law relating to their use whilst driving. Are police drivers considered to have special abilities of concentration greater than the average motorist? I recall a case where a lady waiting at traffic lights took a swig from a bottle, and was subsequently done for driving without due care IIRC. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

They are usually double crewed so the crew mate will operate the vascar etc. But dont forget they can also do just following checks without using anything but the video and the police speed.

[copen 660 turbo]

i got 5 points and 240 fine for 98.8 on m11