RE: Driving licences at risk from state offensive
Discussion
MilnerR said:
Bassfiend, you're assuming the laws are right and sensible. Non-sensical laws that criminalise practically the entire population are obviously wrong. It used to be acceptable by law to torture people in this country!
The state is the servant of the people not the other way around.
Nope - I'm most definitely *NOT* assuming that the laws are sensible ... IMO the laws are - in many respects - a complete ass.
If someone breaks into my house I see absolutely no reason whatsoever why I shouldn't use the nearest heavy / blunt / gun-shaped object as a weapon and bludgeon the git to a pulp to protect me and my family yet if I do I'm the criminal.
I see no reason why if I was to drive at 30mph past my sons school at 3:45 I would be perfectly "safe" but if I drive at 75mph on the A34 in the middle of nowhere then I'm a criminal. (Hello to those nice BiBs with the V70 and radar gun that I saw on Sunday on my way to BTAP if you're reading.)
Unfortunately - as individuals we have very little say in the matter of laws and what gets passed. Popular opinion wins votes and - much as we wish otherwise - the motorist isn't a big enough voice yet to be of sufficient influence in this nanny state where I had to explain to my 8 year old on Sunday afternoon that the film "The Railway Children" (which he had been pestering us to make sure that he got to watch it since he saw it advertised earlier in the week) had been pulled from being shown on TV because there had been a train crash the evening before. (I still fail to understand *WHY* it was pulled but there you go.)
You say that the state is the servant of the people - perhaps that's the way it *SHOULD* be but it isn't. I hate the current state of play with respect to motoring laws but I do also understand that when I make the decision to go above 70mph (which I consider to be a stupid arbitrary limit to apply) then I do put myself in the position of being outside the law.
Phil
The most annoying thing, every time I see something like this, is that the police lose the respect of the people and the law becomes ungovernable.
Did anyone else see that special report on BBC news last night on 'no-go' zones in Britain? There was a bloke wandering around Tower Hamlets, basically pointing out the 'no-go' zones. There are certain areas where certain ethinic groups 'control' it and others can't go, and the reporter recorded a young kid threatening to slash his eyes out with a knife for just looking at him.
It incenses me when I see that large sections of our cities are being turned into lawless ghettoes through lack of Police, and I'm supposed to allow my money to drain into the bottomless pit of razed community centres and insecure drug rehabilitation, and all the while, the Police are working to targets to see how many otherwise law-abiding citizens they can get some more cash from to make statistics look good for Fony Bliar.
It's time for someone, somewhere, to wake up and smell the coffee before they smell the cordite.
Did anyone else see that special report on BBC news last night on 'no-go' zones in Britain? There was a bloke wandering around Tower Hamlets, basically pointing out the 'no-go' zones. There are certain areas where certain ethinic groups 'control' it and others can't go, and the reporter recorded a young kid threatening to slash his eyes out with a knife for just looking at him.
It incenses me when I see that large sections of our cities are being turned into lawless ghettoes through lack of Police, and I'm supposed to allow my money to drain into the bottomless pit of razed community centres and insecure drug rehabilitation, and all the while, the Police are working to targets to see how many otherwise law-abiding citizens they can get some more cash from to make statistics look good for Fony Bliar.
It's time for someone, somewhere, to wake up and smell the coffee before they smell the cordite.
Government...Government....political correctness everywhere...
Softly softly don't rock the boat.....
Too many whining and whinging people complaining about the police and the actions of the police for the last 25 years has meant you now have a "police service" and not a "police force"
So all the people who complained when their drunken son got a bit of a roughing up in the police station, or when the police were a bit heavy handed at an incident etc etc..are the people to blame for the changes in society now....
You're on your own people...get used to it...because very few BiB are going to risk their pensions for you....sad but true...
That coffee smell is very strong now, isn't it???
Street
Softly softly don't rock the boat.....
Too many whining and whinging people complaining about the police and the actions of the police for the last 25 years has meant you now have a "police service" and not a "police force"
So all the people who complained when their drunken son got a bit of a roughing up in the police station, or when the police were a bit heavy handed at an incident etc etc..are the people to blame for the changes in society now....
You're on your own people...get used to it...because very few BiB are going to risk their pensions for you....sad but true...
That coffee smell is very strong now, isn't it???
Street
Streetcop said:
Government...Government....political correctness everywhere...
Softly softly don't rock the boat.....
Too many whining and whinging people complaining about the police and the actions of the police for the last 25 years has meant you now have a "police service" and not a "police force"
So all the people who complained when their drunken son got a bit of a roughing up in the police station, or when the police were a bit heavy handed at an incident etc etc..are the people to blame for the changes in society now....
You're on your own people...get used to it...because very few BiB are going to risk their pensions for you....sad but true...
That coffee smell is very strong now, isn't it???
Street
Unfortunately SC I know exactly what you mean and I agree...
The country is run by committee and no-one seems to have any balls to actually stick their neck out and do something positive.
You will *NEVER* hear me complain about the police as I think they have the sh*tty end of a very sh*tty stick to contend with ... their hands are tied by rules and red tape and it's not the copper on the street who decides to target motorists because they're an easy catch (and they are) but the monkeys further up the tree who like seeing numbers at the bottom of a target sheet.
Two professions I would like to be in but - currently - would never join are teaching and the police ... the "yoof" today have sod all respect for anyone and all too often I hear teenagers (and younger) shouting "F*kin' touch me and I'll sue ya fer assult" ... even my 8 year old stepson has trotted out "If you smack me I'll sue you" and the crazy thing is that he's absolutely right (legally). If I give him a smack I'm open to an assult charge as - although I'm married to his mum - I'm not his dad.
StreetCop, TonyRec, Gemini and you other BiB's definitely have my respect and my admiration for having to take the cr*p from all sides.
Phil
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