Why are Police now enforcing laws & advising cyclists?
Discussion
Mill Wheel said:
So other offences ARE still being tackled. Win Win all round.
Lets hope Boris has noticed this - he seemed to have been on the ball when he revealed one fatality involved a cyclist going the wrong way up a one way street - although he got into trouble for revealing that... WHY?
A coyness has been demonstrated in reporting whether at least two of the recent six deaths in London were of cyclists who had ridden through red lights.Lets hope Boris has noticed this - he seemed to have been on the ball when he revealed one fatality involved a cyclist going the wrong way up a one way street - although he got into trouble for revealing that... WHY?
Streaky
2 cycle stories from my weekend.
Make of them what you will.
I'm waiting at lights in a city centre.
Parked cars to my left, very little space between me and the parked cars.
The lights turn green, I start to move - a cyclist moves past on my left, probably no more than 3" between him and my wing mirror.
I either have to stop - or continue to drive with a cyclist next to me in a space I consider unsafe.
(I can't move right due to other traffic)
Episode 2.
I'm at another red light, at the front.
A cyclist (bmx) comes down the pavement to my left.
My light turns green at just about the same time as he launches off the pavement into the road (I decide not to move for a moment) the bike lands, the cyclist loses control and ends up on the floor 15 yards in front of me.
I watch him pick up his bike and limp off the road -then drive on.
These two stories don't include the 20 or so cyclists I saw riding politely, wearing reflective stuff, using lights and being good eggs.
But these are the two I remember.
Two people putting themselves in danger - and the only reason they weren't badly injured is because I took precautions for thier safety.
I doesn't boil my piss (my heated seat does that) but it just makes me shake my head sadly.
A the sensible comments on here from good cyclists are wrecked by two idiots.
Make of them what you will.
I'm waiting at lights in a city centre.
Parked cars to my left, very little space between me and the parked cars.
The lights turn green, I start to move - a cyclist moves past on my left, probably no more than 3" between him and my wing mirror.
I either have to stop - or continue to drive with a cyclist next to me in a space I consider unsafe.
(I can't move right due to other traffic)
Episode 2.
I'm at another red light, at the front.
A cyclist (bmx) comes down the pavement to my left.
My light turns green at just about the same time as he launches off the pavement into the road (I decide not to move for a moment) the bike lands, the cyclist loses control and ends up on the floor 15 yards in front of me.
I watch him pick up his bike and limp off the road -then drive on.
These two stories don't include the 20 or so cyclists I saw riding politely, wearing reflective stuff, using lights and being good eggs.
But these are the two I remember.
Two people putting themselves in danger - and the only reason they weren't badly injured is because I took precautions for thier safety.
I doesn't boil my piss (my heated seat does that) but it just makes me shake my head sadly.
A the sensible comments on here from good cyclists are wrecked by two idiots.
A car story from the weekend, make of it what you will.
I'm sat in a queue at some traffic lights , they've been green for a good ten seconds and a few cars have gone through when some prick in a CAR completely ignores the red and barges through.
Everyone had to take evasive action, does this mean all car drivers jump red lights?
I'm sat in a queue at some traffic lights , they've been green for a good ten seconds and a few cars have gone through when some prick in a CAR completely ignores the red and barges through.
Everyone had to take evasive action, does this mean all car drivers jump red lights?
WinstonWolf said:
A car story from the weekend, make of it what you will.
I'm sat in a queue at some traffic lights , they've been green for a good ten seconds and a few cars have gone through when some prick in a CAR completely ignores the red and barges through.
Everyone had to take evasive action, does this mean all car drivers jump red lights?
I never understand why cyclists on here that blatantly don't like cars on the road are members of a forum called piston heads?! I'm sat in a queue at some traffic lights , they've been green for a good ten seconds and a few cars have gone through when some prick in a CAR completely ignores the red and barges through.
Everyone had to take evasive action, does this mean all car drivers jump red lights?
jimbop1 said:
WinstonWolf said:
A car story from the weekend, make of it what you will.
I'm sat in a queue at some traffic lights , they've been green for a good ten seconds and a few cars have gone through when some prick in a CAR completely ignores the red and barges through.
Everyone had to take evasive action, does this mean all car drivers jump red lights?
I never understand why cyclists on here that blatantly don't like cars on the road are members of a forum called piston heads?! I'm sat in a queue at some traffic lights , they've been green for a good ten seconds and a few cars have gone through when some prick in a CAR completely ignores the red and barges through.
Everyone had to take evasive action, does this mean all car drivers jump red lights?
I like anything on two and four wheels, I don't like sweeping generalisations as they are always wrong...
jimbop1 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Check out my TVR
I like anything on two and four wheels, I don't like sweeping generalisations as they are always wrong...
Nice TVR! I do believe however that when it come to cyclist the generalisations are alway correct. I like anything on two and four wheels, I don't like sweeping generalisations as they are always wrong...
WinstonWolf said:
A car story from the weekend, make of it what you will.
I'm sat in a queue at some traffic lights , they've been green for a good ten seconds and a few cars have gone through when some prick in a CAR completely ignores the red and barges through.
Everyone had to take evasive action, does this mean all car drivers jump red lights?
Your story looks like a rag at car drivers, while Snowboy made the point that these two cyclists spoiled the perception of cyclists in general, as he (Snowboy) went on to acknowledge that 20 or so other cyclists behaved in an exemplary fashion, and that these two gave reasonable cyclists posting in this thread a bad name because of their behaviour.I'm sat in a queue at some traffic lights , they've been green for a good ten seconds and a few cars have gone through when some prick in a CAR completely ignores the red and barges through.
Everyone had to take evasive action, does this mean all car drivers jump red lights?
He has not commented, but I expect he agrees that some drivers are just as arrogant and stupid as the two cyclists he described.
Meanwhile Streaky has suggested that two of the recently deceased cyclists may have contributed to their demise by jumping red lights - and Boris already pointed the finger at one who appeared to have been riding the wrong way along a one way street.
That leaves three cyclists whose deaths were not attributed to their behaviour or dress.
Hopefully the present campaign will reduce the toll - I really hope the Met can find the man power, funding and political balls to carry on with it... as the evidence so far seems to show that every user has benefitted, with cyclists AND drivers being caught acting outside of the law.
Just need to tackle pedestrians in the same way and offer them "words of advice"!
Mill Wheel said:
WinstonWolf said:
A car story from the weekend, make of it what you will.
I'm sat in a queue at some traffic lights , they've been green for a good ten seconds and a few cars have gone through when some prick in a CAR completely ignores the red and barges through.
Everyone had to take evasive action, does this mean all car drivers jump red lights?
Your story looks like a rag at car drivers, while Snowboy made the point that these two cyclists spoiled the perception of cyclists in general, as he (Snowboy) went on to acknowledge that 20 or so other cyclists behaved in an exemplary fashion, and that these two gave reasonable cyclists posting in this thread a bad name because of their behaviour.I'm sat in a queue at some traffic lights , they've been green for a good ten seconds and a few cars have gone through when some prick in a CAR completely ignores the red and barges through.
Everyone had to take evasive action, does this mean all car drivers jump red lights?
He has not commented, but I expect he agrees that some drivers are just as arrogant and stupid as the two cyclists he described.
Meanwhile Streaky has suggested that two of the recently deceased cyclists may have contributed to their demise by jumping red lights - and Boris already pointed the finger at one who appeared to have been riding the wrong way along a one way street.
That leaves three cyclists whose deaths were not attributed to their behaviour or dress.
Hopefully the present campaign will reduce the toll - I really hope the Met can find the man power, funding and political balls to carry on with it... as the evidence so far seems to show that every user has benefitted, with cyclists AND drivers being caught acting outside of the law.
Just need to tackle pedestrians in the same way and offer them "words of advice"!
Some people choose to ignore red lights, some of those people are on cycles, some are in cars. One is more dangerous to other people than the other.
WinstonWolf said:
jimbop1 said:
WinstonWolf said:
'kin ex-Scooby owners, bet you had a dustbin tailpipe...
Nope all standard. You can't slate P1's they are not just any old Scooby. 
WinstonWolf said:
Snowboy said:
I just find it odd that some people try and excuse bad cycling by pointing at bad drivers.
I just find it odd that some people try and excuse bad driving by pointing at bad cyclists.I think you might be misreading some of the posts here.
Let's consider the outcome of the stories though if there had been a crash.
Car jumps light.
Probably some injuries.
But, the driver would have been arrested, probably received points on licence, maybe banned.
Thier insurance (assuming they had any) would have paid for car repairs, medical cost etc
Now consider the bikes.
Had I had a collision I probably would have been blamed at first.
There would be no way I could claim for my damages from them.
Even without accidents you could have reported the cars reg number, a camera may have recorded it.
Cyclists seem to operate with complete immunity, and I think that's what bothers most motorists.
Car jumps light.
Probably some injuries.
But, the driver would have been arrested, probably received points on licence, maybe banned.
Thier insurance (assuming they had any) would have paid for car repairs, medical cost etc
Now consider the bikes.
Had I had a collision I probably would have been blamed at first.
There would be no way I could claim for my damages from them.
Even without accidents you could have reported the cars reg number, a camera may have recorded it.
Cyclists seem to operate with complete immunity, and I think that's what bothers most motorists.
WinstonWolf said:
This just in....
Went for a drive, two cars jumped red lights. One was a minor one, the other needed evasive action from the other motorists.
Number of cyclists seen jumping red lights, precisely zero
Whilst walking home the other night a car went past with no lights on (10pm). Two cyclists passed me and they both had lights on.Went for a drive, two cars jumped red lights. One was a minor one, the other needed evasive action from the other motorists.
Number of cyclists seen jumping red lights, precisely zero
All car drivers are idiots and never have lights on at night. All cyclists are brilliant and are always correctly lit.
Some car drivers are idiots who do really stupid things. Some cyclists are idiots who do really stupid things.
I don't quite get what the point of all the fascinating stories is? It means feck all other than if you look for poor cycling/poor driving you will see it.
Cyclist currently operate with relative impunity because they don't cause enough of an issue to be worth investing the resources in dealing with them. The KSI stats certainly tell us that much of these terrible near death experiences that people claim to be having because of cyclists can't be as bad as they claim otherwise a lot more people would be getting hurt.
It's the same as those who like to bang on about "declining standards of driving" but don't seem to have any proper evidence to back it up, appart for 1000 anecdotes about times when they were almost killed to death. All in the face of falling KSI stats.
I don't quite get what the point of all the fascinating stories is? It means feck all other than if you look for poor cycling/poor driving you will see it.
Cyclist currently operate with relative impunity because they don't cause enough of an issue to be worth investing the resources in dealing with them. The KSI stats certainly tell us that much of these terrible near death experiences that people claim to be having because of cyclists can't be as bad as they claim otherwise a lot more people would be getting hurt.
It's the same as those who like to bang on about "declining standards of driving" but don't seem to have any proper evidence to back it up, appart for 1000 anecdotes about times when they were almost killed to death. All in the face of falling KSI stats.
creampuff said:
There is no reason to ban private vehicles in London because of small sections of the population wanting to ram their ideology down the general publics throat. All of London benefits from supermarkets and shops which are stoked by goods vehicles. All of London benefits from tradesmen and workmen able to get to their place of work by vehicle. A lot more Londoners drive than go by bicycle.
I cannot get to my office any quicker way than cycling. And it's cheaper. And it keeps me fit. I am not an ideologist, I do whatever is convenient to me. Edited by creampuff on Saturday 30th November 11:38
What will increasingly happen is that roads will be geared more for cyclists, so car journeys will become even slower. Perhaps that will encourage more people to cycle.
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