Why are Police now enforcing laws & advising cyclists?
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The point of the stories?
From my perspective it's just to show that it happens, and that cyclist stories aren't just limited to the old favourite of bikes jumping red lights.
It's obviously illegal to jump a red light.
But, it's legal to filter, which can be more dangerous.
I'd be interested on regular cyclists views on left filtering and who they feel is responsible for the safety of the cyclist while filtering.
And perhaps if there are times and places it should be discouraged or banned.
From my perspective it's just to show that it happens, and that cyclist stories aren't just limited to the old favourite of bikes jumping red lights.
It's obviously illegal to jump a red light.
But, it's legal to filter, which can be more dangerous.
I'd be interested on regular cyclists views on left filtering and who they feel is responsible for the safety of the cyclist while filtering.
And perhaps if there are times and places it should be discouraged or banned.
Oh that's right, discriminate against the right filterers... 
I filter, it can be riskier than waiting but it's also one of the major benefits of being on two wheels. TBH you'd have to be pretty stupid to ride a bike and not filter a lot of the time.
"Always assume the b
ds are trying to kill you" and you won't go far wrong 
I filter, it can be riskier than waiting but it's also one of the major benefits of being on two wheels. TBH you'd have to be pretty stupid to ride a bike and not filter a lot of the time.
"Always assume the b
ds are trying to kill you" and you won't go far wrong Snowboy said:
I'd be interested on regular cyclists views on left filtering and who they feel is responsible for the safety of the cyclist while filtering.
And perhaps if there are times and places it should be discouraged or banned.
I was massively flamed on another thread for attempting to promote right filtering which I find safer fairly often and was encouraged in the cycle training I did.And perhaps if there are times and places it should be discouraged or banned.
The left is a fricking disaster zone half the time (YMMV).
Frankly when there is a cycle lane encouraging idiots to filter without thinking the road planners should be held responsible for the inevitable.
Unless I am 100% confident I can get all the way in front of the next vehicle, I wouldn't consider overtaking on the left OR the right. Life is already too short. Nasty, brutish and short.
WinstonWolf said:
This just in....
Went for a drive, two cars jumped red lights. One was a minor one, the other needed evasive action from the other motorists.
Number of cyclists seen jumping red lights, precisely zero
Seroiusly Where do YOU live then? ColourBlind Town?Went for a drive, two cars jumped red lights. One was a minor one, the other needed evasive action from the other motorists.
Number of cyclists seen jumping red lights, precisely zero
I can't remember any time I was sat at my own red light and saw another car jump a Red light SO LATE that everybody in a green light situation had to avoid him.
Yes, I have SEEN some people jump lights on amber as it changed as they appraoched, and SOME retarded people follow them through on the Red, but never have I seen the situation as described.
Hol said:
Seroiusly Where do YOU live then? ColourBlind Town?
I can't remember any time I was sat at my own red light and saw another car jump a Red light SO LATE that everybody in a green light situation had to avoid him.
Yes, I have SEEN some people jump lights on amber as it changed as they appraoched, and SOME retarded people follow them through on the Red, but never have I seen the situation as described.
Red light jumpers are common where I live. Also almost got taken out in the Midlands by a van going through red lights some time after my lights had gone green and I'd started moving.I can't remember any time I was sat at my own red light and saw another car jump a Red light SO LATE that everybody in a green light situation had to avoid him.
Yes, I have SEEN some people jump lights on amber as it changed as they appraoched, and SOME retarded people follow them through on the Red, but never have I seen the situation as described.
Conclusive proof that all drivers are red light jumpers, according to the 'logic' displayed by many drivers on this thread....
BGarside said:
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Conclusive proof that all drivers are red light jumpers, according to the 'logic' displayed by many drivers on this thread....
Is that realy how you've read this thread?Conclusive proof that all drivers are red light jumpers, according to the 'logic' displayed by many drivers on this thread....
Because I've seen many people (myself included) go to great lengths to avoid criticising all cyclists based on the actions of a few.
Most people are making point of not generalising. But it seems some people are just constantly taking offence at comments that aren't directed at them.
(Unless of course they do identify themselves as a f
kwitted stupid cyclist who rides like a cock.)oyster said:
creampuff said:
There is no reason to ban private vehicles in London because of small sections of the population wanting to ram their ideology down the general publics throat. All of London benefits from supermarkets and shops which are stoked by goods vehicles. All of London benefits from tradesmen and workmen able to get to their place of work by vehicle. A lot more Londoners drive than go by bicycle.
I cannot get to my office any quicker way than cycling. And it's cheaper. And it keeps me fit. I am not an ideologist, I do whatever is convenient to me. Edited by creampuff on Saturday 30th November 11:38
I cycle because it saves me money, has made a massive difference to my fitness, allows me to eat whatever I want and not have to worry about putting on weight and I enjoy it. It's get f
k all to do with ideology.Snowboy said:
The point of the stories?
From my perspective it's just to show that it happens, and that cyclist stories aren't just limited to the old favourite of bikes jumping red lights.
It's obviously illegal to jump a red light.
Of course it happens. Pick any stupid behaviour you can imagine for a car or a cyclist and you will see it.From my perspective it's just to show that it happens, and that cyclist stories aren't just limited to the old favourite of bikes jumping red lights.
It's obviously illegal to jump a red light.
I once saw a car drive the wrong way up a motorway sliproad. Does that tell me anything about the general state of driving in the UK or whether anything should be done to address the issue? No.
Snowboy said:
2 cycle stories from my weekend.
Make of them what you will.
I'm waiting at lights in a city centre.
Parked cars to my left, very little space between me and the parked cars.
The lights turn green, I start to move - a cyclist moves past on my left, probably no more than 3" between him and my wing mirror.
I either have to stop - or continue to drive with a cyclist next to me in a space I consider unsafe.
(I can't move right due to other traffic)
Episode 2.
I'm at another red light, at the front.
A cyclist (bmx) comes down the pavement to my left.
My light turns green at just about the same time as he launches off the pavement into the road (I decide not to move for a moment) the bike lands, the cyclist loses control and ends up on the floor 15 yards in front of me.
I watch him pick up his bike and limp off the road -then drive on.
These two stories don't include the 20 or so cyclists I saw riding politely, wearing reflective stuff, using lights and being good eggs.
But these are the two I remember.
Two people putting themselves in danger - and the only reason they weren't badly injured is because I took precautions for thier safety.
I doesn't boil my piss (my heated seat does that) but it just makes me shake my head sadly.
A the sensible comments on here from good cyclists are wrecked by two idiots.
I ride to work on a well maintained hybrid bike. Make of them what you will.
I'm waiting at lights in a city centre.
Parked cars to my left, very little space between me and the parked cars.
The lights turn green, I start to move - a cyclist moves past on my left, probably no more than 3" between him and my wing mirror.
I either have to stop - or continue to drive with a cyclist next to me in a space I consider unsafe.
(I can't move right due to other traffic)
Episode 2.
I'm at another red light, at the front.
A cyclist (bmx) comes down the pavement to my left.
My light turns green at just about the same time as he launches off the pavement into the road (I decide not to move for a moment) the bike lands, the cyclist loses control and ends up on the floor 15 yards in front of me.
I watch him pick up his bike and limp off the road -then drive on.
These two stories don't include the 20 or so cyclists I saw riding politely, wearing reflective stuff, using lights and being good eggs.
But these are the two I remember.
Two people putting themselves in danger - and the only reason they weren't badly injured is because I took precautions for thier safety.
I doesn't boil my piss (my heated seat does that) but it just makes me shake my head sadly.
A the sensible comments on here from good cyclists are wrecked by two idiots.
I wear a helmet.
I wear hi viz plus reflective clothing.
I have added reflective stciks to my spokes.
I have added further reflective tape to the rear mudguard, forks, side of helmet and both sides of each crank arm.
I have 2 front lights fitted to my handlebars (one flashing, one constant).
I have a front helmet light.
I have 4 rear lights.
I wear flashing light reflector strips on each ankle.
I have been on cycle training in the last few years.
I stop at every single red light and pedestrian crossing.
I ride primary position where possible.
In what way can you compare me to a kid on a BMX?
It's like me assuming you're the same as a chavvy 17yr old doing handbrake turns in McDonalds car park?
I didn't compare you to the kid on the bmw.
I made a point of not comparing you to the kid on the bmx.
If you don't consider yourself to be like the kid on the bmx then that's great.
Tell me, what do you think of the kid on the bmx?
Do you want to defend him because he rides a bike like you, or do you consider him an idiot, or perhaps something else.
There are a few talkative regular cyclists on here.
They all seem to be saying they are good cyclists, or pointing at bad drivers - whether it's deliberate or not they keep avoiding the actual question of what to do about bad cyclists, or what they think about bad cyclists.
But, I'd really like thier opinions on what I consider to be bad cycling.
To pre-empt the obvious question.
Bad drivers should get points on thier licence and eventually get banned.
I made a point of not comparing you to the kid on the bmx.
If you don't consider yourself to be like the kid on the bmx then that's great.
Tell me, what do you think of the kid on the bmx?
Do you want to defend him because he rides a bike like you, or do you consider him an idiot, or perhaps something else.
There are a few talkative regular cyclists on here.
They all seem to be saying they are good cyclists, or pointing at bad drivers - whether it's deliberate or not they keep avoiding the actual question of what to do about bad cyclists, or what they think about bad cyclists.
But, I'd really like thier opinions on what I consider to be bad cycling.
To pre-empt the obvious question.
Bad drivers should get points on thier licence and eventually get banned.
WinstonWolf said:
I just swap the term cyclist for driver, it's exactly the same argument.
Do you like it when someone starts off "all car drivers..."?
I have never used that term.Do you like it when someone starts off "all car drivers..."?
Please reread my posts, your misquoting me, and selectively editing what you read.
It's a shame.
I'm interested in a cyclists view of poor cycling and what they think could be done to help prevent it.
But that just doesn't seem forthcoming.
It's just constant deflection.
Bad cyclists should be fined. End of. It should all be on the spot fines, for drivers too. It saves time and money and will raise funds for the treasury which is what is needed in present times. Larger fines for cars as they can cause more damage as well as death and two or three strikes and then points on your licence. Bikes are a little more difficult at this point. Possibly crush the bike/ make them take or retake cycling proficiency - ?
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Hol said:
Seroiusly Where do YOU live then? ColourBlind Town?
I can't remember any time I was sat at my own red light and saw another car jump a Red light SO LATE that everybody in a green light situation had to avoid him.
Yes, I have SEEN some people jump lights on amber as it changed as they appraoched, and SOME retarded people follow them through on the Red, but never have I seen the situation as described.
I've seen at least twice as many incidents of motorists jumping the light and causing others to take evasive as I have cyclists. And I've lived in Cambridge.I can't remember any time I was sat at my own red light and saw another car jump a Red light SO LATE that everybody in a green light situation had to avoid him.
Yes, I have SEEN some people jump lights on amber as it changed as they appraoched, and SOME retarded people follow them through on the Red, but never have I seen the situation as described.
Snowboy said:
I'm interested in a cyclists view of poor cycling and what they think could be done to help prevent it.
But that just doesn't seem forthcoming.
It's just constant deflection.
my view as a cyclistBut that just doesn't seem forthcoming.
It's just constant deflection.
on the spot fine...repeat offender within a certain time frame seize the bike.
oyster said:
I cannot get to my office any quicker way than cycling. And it's cheaper. And it keeps me fit. I am not an ideologist, I do whatever is convenient to me.
That is convenience, not ideology. The ideology was the other poster who wants to ban private motor transport and force people to take a bicycle or public transport, regardless of how they wish to travel.
WinstonWolf said:
Oh that's right, discriminate against the right filterers...
I filter, it can be riskier than waiting but it's also one of the major benefits of being on two wheels. TBH you'd have to be pretty stupid to ride a bike and not filter a lot of the time.
"Always assume the bds are trying to kill you" and you won't go far wrong
Filtering on the right (actually overtaking standing traffic) can be trickier as when motorised traffic starts to move, the bicycle rider would want to move to the left. Requires more planning. I filter, it can be riskier than waiting but it's also one of the major benefits of being on two wheels. TBH you'd have to be pretty stupid to ride a bike and not filter a lot of the time.
"Always assume the b
ds are trying to kill you" and you won't go far wrong Snowboy said:
I'm interested in a cyclists view of poor cycling and what they think could be done to help prevent it.
But that just doesn't seem forthcoming.
It's just constant deflection.
I think poor cycling is well, poor. Cyclist should show other road users and pedestrians the same respect that they expect to receive. Do unto others and all that.But that just doesn't seem forthcoming.
It's just constant deflection.
What should be done about it?
Nothing, at the moment, other than possibly issuing FPNs to cyclists they see breaking laws. The accident stats show that it isn't a major issue. It certainly should not be taking resources from elsewhere.
It comes under the category of stuff that people like to get annoyed about and blow out of all proportion.
Devil2575 said:
I think poor cycling is well, poor. Cyclist should show other road users and pedestrians the same respect that they expect to receive. Do unto others and all that.
What should be done about it?
Nothing, at the moment, other than possibly issuing FPNs to cyclists they see breaking laws. The accident stats show that it isn't a major issue. It certainly should not be taking resources from elsewhere.
It comes under the category of stuff that people like to get annoyed about and blow out of all proportion.
I think it comes into the category of stuff that angry people get angry about then use to justify their own dangerous driving around cyclists. What should be done about it?
Nothing, at the moment, other than possibly issuing FPNs to cyclists they see breaking laws. The accident stats show that it isn't a major issue. It certainly should not be taking resources from elsewhere.
It comes under the category of stuff that people like to get annoyed about and blow out of all proportion.
Perhaps if they can convince themselves, based on selective attention to incompetent cyclists only (and selective blindness to dangerous drivers), that we cyclists don't care about our own safety then they can justify the fact that they don't care either?
It's certainly not based on rational criteria, like the number of people killed by cyclists vs. cars...
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