How to prevent scum tenants from trashing the place

[oyster]

wildcat45 said:

Ski masks etc........

I've a friend who owns a few places. He gets bother like this from time to time. No voilence, he just rock up with five or six lads tells them they are out of order and it may be best all round if they left.

The lads are just some mates from the.pub. Not hardmen accountants, road sweepers, whoever.

Just a bit of presence to persuade. Don't bother with the law for those who don't abde by the law. Tell them to get the fk out with the implied offer of assistance in doing so. Once they are on the streets, they can go to court etc. Will they?

anothernameitist said:

I had one problem tennant who I wanted out.

He knew his rights etc, telling me some one in the pub had advised him of his rights.

The little scroate sent me a text whilst I was in the pub one Saturday evening, that tipped me over the edge and four of us went down to the flat.

Sure he knew his "rights", but he also had some common sense too.

Moved out and I changed the locks within the hour.

Went back to pub and got a few more beers.

I'm not a hard man and neither were the other 3, but I'm no push over, treat these people on like for like terms.

Darranu said:

As others have said you're wasting your time working within the law when the scum you're up against don't.

The use of force is the only thing they understand and before some do gooding prick comes along saying that landlords shouldn't behave like that etc just think of this.
We don't ask for this type of problem and when we get them it can wipe out 1 / 2 years of profit if we go through the courts, it also makes us more sceptical and blunt with the genuine tenants who may get the wrong impression of their landlord due to the stress scum like this cause.

Force and intimidation is the way forward but for gods sake make sure it can't be linked back to you as they'll get legal aid and by the time you're finished been reamed you could of evicted 10 tenants legally

I'm a landlord of 10 years and I've had a few issues with tenants. I've learnt never to trust a letting agent and vet my own tenants now.
Easiest thing to get a tenant, hardest thing getting rid...

fttm said:

As has been said already you're wasting time trying to do this legally .
I had a well referenced tenant turn into a nightmare , mainly drug and alcohol related , rent not getting paid , and complaints from neighbours etc etc . I gave the guy multiple chances to get his st together and informed him what my actions would be should he not bother . He carried on being an arse so when the straw broke the camels back I turned up one morning , he went out through the front door , all his possessions went out through the windows , 3 floors up , which I then loaded into my trailer and took to his ex partner and mother of his children's house . I then changed all the locks , while he watched whilst sat on the garden wall , then generously took him out for breakfast and explained that I never wanted to see nor hear from him again , and I never did .

Interesting responses from people who claim they're running legitimate businesses and want all the tax benefits that come with doing so, yet at the same time seem to be more thuggish and scum-like than the scum tenants.

Trashing a flat is a scum thing to do. Threatening someone with violence or evicting someone illegally is worse.


Besides which, are you too tight to pay for insurance? I pay it and have dealt with voids and damage that way in the past. And it's amaxing - it's tax deductable!!

No wonder the law is turning further and further away from landlords with the attitude of the knuckledraggers.

[LoonR1]

^^^^^^ spot on. I rent out a lot of property abroad and rarely have any issues with any tenants. Those that do cause problems are evicted legally. It helps maintain my strong reputation as a landlord and ensures a steady stream of expats queuing up to rent from me.

[TC99]

There is definite scum on this thread and surprise it's the landlords. Bring back rent controls and let all tax payers get some relief from the biggest benefit scroungers of the lot, landlords. It's them who get the most out of the benefit system.

[Martin4x4]

Lock them out.

[HiAsAKite]

TC99 said:

There is definite scum on this thread and surprise it's the landlords. Bring back rent controls and let all tax payers get some relief from the biggest benefit scroungers of the lot, landlords. It's them who get the most out of the benefit system.

God forbid work ever means you need somewhere other than your home to live, and you're faced with renting out your most valuable possession.

You have no idea what it feels like to let out your home, and come back to find sh!t stained walls vomit entrenched carpets, every single internal door and door frame smashed, and walls needed rerendering.

To be told that you'll be lucky to see any of the deposit, which only gives 7% of the cost of righting the damage anyway..

Until you do, I suggest think twice before pilling in and attacking those who have

[martinnitram]

HiAsAKite said:

TC99 said:

There is definite scum on this thread and surprise it's the landlords. Bring back rent controls and let all tax payers get some relief from the biggest benefit scroungers of the lot, landlords. It's them who get the most out of the benefit system.

God forbid work ever means you need somewhere other than your home to live, and you're faced with renting out your most valuable possession.

You have no idea what it feels like to let out your home, and come back to find sh!t stained walls vomit entrenched carpets, every single internal door and door frame smashed, and walls needed rerendering.

To be told that you'll be lucky to see any of the deposit, which only gives 7% of the cost of righting the damage anyway..

Until you do, I suggest think twice before pilling in and attacking those who have

+ 1

What an ahole.
Obviously no stranger to smashing stting and vomiting in other peoples property.
HiAsAKite - sounds about right.

[whoami]

TC99 said:

There is definite scum on this thread and surprise it's the landlords. Bring back rent controls and let all tax payers get some relief from the biggest benefit scroungers of the lot, landlords. It's them who get the most out of the benefit system.

Were you not advocating squatting on a recent thread?

[TC99]

What the three knobs have arrived to big each other up?

[Pagey]

TC99 said:

What the three knobs have arrived to big each other up?

Have you got 2 of your mates with you then?

[Rovinghawk]

oyster said:

Besides which, are you too tight to pay for insurance? I pay it and have dealt with voids and damage that way in the past. And it's amaxing - it's tax deductable!!

Why should we have to pay excessive premiums for deliberate damage cover? If someone is trouble then they should go; if the law won't help us then we sometimes have to manage the situation ourselves.

[anonymous-user]

The law certainly isn't biased to landlords.

[RealSquirrels]

it is compared to most countries

[Rovinghawk]

RealSquirrels said:

it is compared to most countries

Comparisons aren't relevant- in real terms the playing field is heavily tilted in the tenants' favour.

[vanordinaire]

We usually try the 'carrot and stick' method. Write up a letter explaining that their actions may lead to proceedings possibly ending in eviction (don't directly threaten). Personally deliver the letter and speak to them explaining the possible negative consequences but offer them a better/ easier way out, eg explain that if they go voluntarily you _may_ waive charges/rent in lieu of notice/ give them a reference. This often works and once they are out(the important bit) you can decide whether it's worth pursuing them for outstanding money.

[PAULJ5555]

hora said:

OP I'd go after the Letting company to recover all costs. It seems they didn't do any checks. Feel for you- its your time, money and investment

+1 I would want them to explane.

[oyster]

HiAsAKite said:

TC99 said:

There is definite scum on this thread and surprise it's the landlords. Bring back rent controls and let all tax payers get some relief from the biggest benefit scroungers of the lot, landlords. It's them who get the most out of the benefit system.

God forbid work ever means you need somewhere other than your home to live, and you're faced with renting out your most valuable possession.

You have no idea what it feels like to let out your home, and come back to find sh!t stained walls vomit entrenched carpets, every single internal door and door frame smashed, and walls needed rerendering.

To be told that you'll be lucky to see any of the deposit, which only gives 7% of the cost of righting the damage anyway..

Until you do, I suggest think twice before pilling in and attacking those who have

1. It's not your 'home' if you don't live in it.
2. You don't 'need' to let the property out for work - you 'choose' to do so.
3. Have you not heard of insurance?
4. All expenses are tax deductable as a cost of business.
5. Only a tiny, tiny proportion of tenants are like that.

[oyster]

Rovinghawk said:

oyster said:

Besides which, are you too tight to pay for insurance? I pay it and have dealt with voids and damage that way in the past. And it's amaxing - it's tax deductable!!

Why should we have to pay excessive premiums for deliberate damage cover? If someone is trouble then they should go; if the law won't help us then we sometimes have to manage the situation ourselves.

Yes they can go. If you're on top of it then you can get them out in 3 or so months.

Unless you are completely unlucky, you'll get such a tenant perhaps once every 5-10 years (or maybe never), so 3 months of voids against the rest of the income is just a cost of running a business.

Do you see it as a business? If so, why can't you run it within the confines of the law?

[Tom_C76]

vanordinaire said:

We usually try the 'carrot and stick' method. Write up a letter explaining that their actions may lead to proceedings possibly ending in eviction (don't directly threaten). Personally deliver the letter and speak to them explaining the possible negative consequences but offer them a better/ easier way out, eg explain that if they go voluntarily you _may_ waive charges/rent in lieu of notice/ give them a reference. This often works and once they are out(the important bit) you can decide whether it's worth pursuing them for outstanding money.

So you're advocating giving a good reference to scum tenants just to get rid, and then people complain when they end up with scum after having references checked?

[markmullen]

Tom_C76 said:

vanordinaire said:

We usually try the 'carrot and stick' method. Write up a letter explaining that their actions may lead to proceedings possibly ending in eviction (don't directly threaten). Personally deliver the letter and speak to them explaining the possible negative consequences but offer them a better/ easier way out, eg explain that if they go voluntarily you _may_ waive charges/rent in lieu of notice/ give them a reference. This often works and once they are out(the important bit) you can decide whether it's worth pursuing them for outstanding money.

So you're advocating giving a good reference to scum tenants just to get rid, and then people complain when they end up with scum after having references checked?

As I read it he said he may give a reference, just as I may fly to the moon after work this evening. Once they're out who cares if they think they're hard done by when you don't give a reference.

[sugerbear]

HiAsAKite said:

TC99 said:

There is definite scum on this thread and surprise it's the landlords. Bring back rent controls and let all tax payers get some relief from the biggest benefit scroungers of the lot, landlords. It's them who get the most out of the benefit system.

God forbid work ever means you need somewhere other than your home to live, and you're faced with renting out your most valuable possession.

You have no idea what it feels like to let out your home, and come back to find sh!t stained walls vomit entrenched carpets, every single internal door and door frame smashed, and walls needed rerendering.

To be told that you'll be lucky to see any of the deposit, which only gives 7% of the cost of righting the damage anyway..

Until you do, I suggest think twice before pilling in and attacking those who have

If you are worried about your house being trashed then sell it. No violence required.

There is risk in every business and if you cant hack losing money then dont go into business in the first place.