Bye Bye ACPO you will not be missed.
Discussion
Rovinghawk said:
I genuinely wish to understand why it was formed as a private limited company as I cannot see any good reason why it could not function as a Home Office 'department'.
Its pretty obvious isn't it? Its because central Govt don't want to fund something that should be funded by central Govt - anything that promotes good practice and consistency amongst numerous forces can only be a good thing. And should be in place.Simialar arrangements apply for various councils services.
Perhaps you should be grateful that public bodies/staff have seen gaps and worked to try and sort them out rather than just syaing they won't bother because central Govt won't fund it.
Yes, there may well have been negative side effects with an arms length body - which is why the Home Office or someone should take on the main responsibilities that need to be done. Whether they will is unknown.
La Liga said:
It's a ltd company by guarantee, so there are no share holders as there are no shares. It's a non-profit structure.
The 'full' accounts are on the Companies' House website. Although they are only general e.g. £5.3 million on project expenses, £1.8 million on staff etc.
The Memorandum and Articles of Association are linked above are quite comprehensive about what the company does.
The accounts filed at Companies House don't reveal much. For example I've just looked at the ones for y/e 31st March 2011 to which I found a Google link. Out of a total income of £9.3 million more than two thirds (£6.6 million) came from 'Other Projects' with no explanatory note as to what they might be. Clear as mud.The 'full' accounts are on the Companies' House website. Although they are only general e.g. £5.3 million on project expenses, £1.8 million on staff etc.
The Memorandum and Articles of Association are linked above are quite comprehensive about what the company does.
I used to work for a registered charity and we had to provide far more detail to the Charity Commission. It was all available for anyone to view on the CC website and you didn't have to pay to do so either.
Edited by La Liga on Wednesday 9th April 09:23
Exaro Tweet to ACPO:
So, ACPO @PoliceChiefs is to be wound up at the end of March, and replaced on April Fool’s Day. But what will happen to all ACPO’s cash?
I chanced upon that on the Exaro sidebar when looking at this list of MPs:
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5530/how-mps-vot...
So, ACPO @PoliceChiefs is to be wound up at the end of March, and replaced on April Fool’s Day. But what will happen to all ACPO’s cash?
I chanced upon that on the Exaro sidebar when looking at this list of MPs:
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5530/how-mps-vot...
Acpo is being replaced by National Police Chiefs Council to co-ordinate operational policing at national levels.
Home Office no longer issue guidelines given that under the new 'Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014' statutory responsibility passed to the College of Policing to set standards and Code of Practice etc
Home Office no longer issue guidelines given that under the new 'Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014' statutory responsibility passed to the College of Policing to set standards and Code of Practice etc
mybrainhurts said:
On winding up, cash will go to shareholders. Who are they?
No it won't, because there aren't any. You clearly haven't understood that ACPO-UK is a CLG (see the Memorandum & Articles link posted by Cat on page 3). Such companies are prohibited from having shareholders by Section 5 of the Companies Act 2006. On winding up/dissolution the distribution of all property (i.e. surplus assets, which includes cash) is governed by Clause 10. Boilerplate stuff. Every CLG will have a similar clause in it's MaAoA. A brief guide to the differences between a CLG and a company limited by shares - http://www.companylawclub.co.uk/topics/companies_l...
XCP said:
Rovinghawk said:
How did things work prior to ACPO Ltd.?
That was 1947. Small forces, watch committees and cronyism. Hardly a recipe for the future.the spurious use of the Ltd . also points to yet more evidence of his dubious grip on normal persons reality ...
XCP said:
Mojooo said:
Ltd does not always mean profit making aim as such.
If the association is made up of officers from 50/100/200 organisations, being a Ltd company allows it to have a single seperate entity and trade/operate on its own name rather than liability/linked to the 50/100/200 organisations.
Some Councils also have Ltd companies so that they can buy goods in bulk and it makes it easier to do via 1 Ltd company.
I have been a director of 2 not for profit limited companies. It felt safer knowing that my personal liability, particularly when it came to such things as employing staff, was limited.If the association is made up of officers from 50/100/200 organisations, being a Ltd company allows it to have a single seperate entity and trade/operate on its own name rather than liability/linked to the 50/100/200 organisations.
Some Councils also have Ltd companies so that they can buy goods in bulk and it makes it easier to do via 1 Ltd company.
accusations are often laid against charities because they are also COmpanies limited by guarantee ...
Scuffers said:
Rovinghawk said:
Cat said:
Perhaps can you explain why it was incorporated as a limited company in 1997 in order to avoid obligations under the FoIA which didn't exist until 3 years later?
I'd love to know why it needed to be limited company at all. Would you know the answer?mybrainhurts said:
That assumes it has paid employees. Does it?
On winding up, cash will go to shareholders. Who are they?
Name & Registered Office:On winding up, cash will go to shareholders. Who are they?
THE ASSOCIATION OF CHIEF POLICE OFFICERS OF THE UNITED KINGDOM
1ST FLOOR 10 VICTORIA STREET
LONDON
SW1H 0NN
Company No. 03344583
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 01/04/1997
Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: PRI/LBG/NSC (Private, Limited by guarantee, no share capital, use of 'Limited' exemption)
Nature of Business (SIC):
94120 - Activities of professional membership organizations
Red Devil said:
mybrainhurts said:
On winding up, cash will go to shareholders. Who are they?
No it won't, because there aren't any. You clearly haven't understood that ACPO-UK is a CLG (see the Memorandum & Articles link posted by Cat on page 3). Such companies are prohibited from having shareholders by Section 5 of the Companies Act 2006. On winding up/dissolution the distribution of all property (i.e. surplus assets, which includes cash) is governed by Clause 10. Boilerplate stuff. Every CLG will have a similar clause in it's MaAoA. A brief guide to the differences between a CLG and a company limited by shares - http://www.companylawclub.co.uk/topics/companies_l...
ACPO's replacement doesn't want to answer questions about what kind of company they are (28 minutes in):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2JgL0ua9xI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2JgL0ua9xI
carinaman said:
ACPO's replacement doesn't want to answer questions about what kind of company they are (28 minutes in):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2JgL0ua9xI
What a highly credible and quality source... If only they had spent 30 seconds searching Google then they'd find the answer: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2JgL0ua9xI
Perhaps you need to evaluate your sources a bit better. Or not just listen to what you want to hear.
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