Up to 24hrs parking

[majordad]

Parked in Pershore St Birmingham Car Park at 5.45PM and when I came back the next morning at 11.30 am there was a charge notice on the windscreen saying I had overstayed. I then noticed that the ticket that I put on the windscreen said 10.01 am expires. No point in appealing this I suppose, I honestly thought I had paid for 24 hrs parking, not up to 24 hrs.

[PurpleMoonlight]

majordad said:

I honestly thought I had paid for 24 hrs parking, not up to 24 hrs.

There is no difference.

[NH1]

Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.

You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.

[Centurion07]

NH1 said:

Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.

You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.

How does any of that relate to the fact OP made a simple mistake and didn't put enough money in the machine? His ticket even had the expiration time on it. What does he have to appeal against?

[mikeveal]

PurpleMoonlight said:

majordad said:

I honestly thought I had paid for 24 hrs parking, not up to 24 hrs.

There is no difference.

Pub quiz..
Does up to 24hrs mean:
a/ a period of not more than 24 hours starting from the time the parking ticket is purchased.
or
b/ From the moment ticket is purchased until 24:00 hours (midnight)that day.

?

Yes definitely appeal, if that's what the sign actually says then the wording is pretty ambiguous.

[PurpleMoonlight]

mikeveal said:

Pub quiz..
Does up to 24hrs mean:
a/ a period of not more than 24 hours starting from the time the parking ticket is purchased.
or
b/ From the moment ticket is purchased until 24:00 hours (midnight)that day.

?

Yes definitely appeal, if that's what the sign actually says then the wording is pretty ambiguous.

In this case, as the car park has a overnight rate among its charging structure, I would say a/.

[Snowboy]

Before anyone can give a sensible answer we'd need to see the parking signs and the ticket you purchased.

If it's a misleading sign I'm on your side OP.
If you just didn't read the sign properly, didn't read your parking ticket properkt or didn't put in enough money then I'm not.

[NH1]

Centurion07 said:

NH1 said:

Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.

You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.

How does any of that relate to the fact OP made a simple mistake and didn't put enough money in the machine? His ticket even had the expiration time on it. What does he have to appeal against?

Because if you go for mitigating circumstances or a reason that may be ambiguous then you stand half a chance of losing. GPEOL is a sure fire winner at popla.

[majordad]

There were two signs, one outside and one near the ticket machine. I put in £4.00 and it gave me back 20p. I suppose there is no PH re near the Pershore St Car Park in Birmingham who could take a snap shot of the signs.

[PurpleMoonlight]

That's strange, because according to this there is no £3.80 parking rate.

http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&a...

Is the price paid printed on the ticket?

[majordad]

Thanks for that, I will check my ticket when I get home.

[Centurion07]

NH1 said:

Centurion07 said:

NH1 said:

Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.

You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.

How does any of that relate to the fact OP made a simple mistake and didn't put enough money in the machine? His ticket even had the expiration time on it. What does he have to appeal against?

Because if you go for mitigating circumstances or a reason that may be ambiguous then you stand half a chance of losing. GPEOL is a sure fire winner at popla.

The point I was making is that the OP has yet to provide any information apart from "I thought I paid for 24 hours", so telling him to appeal using something that may not be relevant is putting the cart before the horse at this stage, no?

[NH1]

Centurion07 said:

NH1 said:

Centurion07 said:

NH1 said:

Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.

You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.

How does any of that relate to the fact OP made a simple mistake and didn't put enough money in the machine? His ticket even had the expiration time on it. What does he have to appeal against?

Because if you go for mitigating circumstances or a reason that may be ambiguous then you stand half a chance of losing. GPEOL is a sure fire winner at popla.

The point I was making is that the OP has yet to provide any information apart from "I thought I paid for 24 hours", so telling him to appeal using something that may not be relevant is putting the cart before the horse at this stage, no?

The only thing that is a sure fire winner at POPLA is the pre estimate argument, it doesn't matter what the reason or failure on the OPs part is, you are challenging the amount they want off you, not your argument why the charge should not stand.

Even if you get a charge notice when you have done everything 100% by the book, even if the PAs photo clearly shows an in date and valid ticket in the windscreen when they say there was non present, you use the GPEOL argument and you win.

I don't think any appeal to the parking company itself will win no matter what the reason so IMHO it will progress to POPLA anyway.

[Centurion07]

NH1 said:

Centurion07 said:

NH1 said:

Centurion07 said:

NH1 said:

Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.

You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.

How does any of that relate to the fact OP made a simple mistake and didn't put enough money in the machine? His ticket even had the expiration time on it. What does he have to appeal against?

Because if you go for mitigating circumstances or a reason that may be ambiguous then you stand half a chance of losing. GPEOL is a sure fire winner at popla.

The point I was making is that the OP has yet to provide any information apart from "I thought I paid for 24 hours", so telling him to appeal using something that may not be relevant is putting the cart before the horse at this stage, no?

The only thing that is a sure fire winner at POPLA is the pre estimate argument, it doesn't matter what the reason or failure on the OPs part is, you are challenging the amount they want off you, not your argument why the charge should not stand.

Even if you get a charge notice when you have done everything 100% by the book, even if the PAs photo clearly shows an in date and valid ticket in the windscreen when they say there was non present, you use the GPEOL argument and you win.

I don't think any appeal to the parking company itself will win no matter what the reason so IMHO it will progress to POPLA anyway.

What if they're only after the 90mins of parking OP didn't pay for? As I said, without all the other relevant bits of info, nobody can give any advice.

[twister]

PurpleMoonlight said:

That's strange, because according to this there is no £3.80 parking rate.

http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&a...

Is the price paid printed on the ticket?

OTOH, the PDF linked to from http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/carparkmap and dated January 2014 does show a £3.80 rate for the Pershore Street car park, as payment for "More than 6 hours and Up to 24 hours" of parking.

This PDF also mentions an evening rate of £3.00 for parking between 18:00 and 09:00 the following day - I wonder if the ticket machine code is correctly handling the recent changeover to BST, because it seems slightly coincidental that the OP was given a ticket with an expiry time of 10:01, which sounds a lot like the expiry time for one of these evening tickets if 1 hour was erroneously added (I'm guessing that a ticket issued for parking between 18:00 and 09:00 would normally be expected to show an expiry time of 09:01 rather than 09:00), and which isn't a valid expiry time for a parking session starting at 17:45 no matter how much was paid.

OP, does the ticket show the time it was issued and how much you were charged for the parking session?